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« on: 06 18, 2005, 06:54: PM »

A number of graphic designers and other computer artistes have passed through these Forums. I seek their opinions.

How goes Adobe Photoshop 7 compare to GIMP in terms of flexibility, ease of learning, etc?  I am a rank beginner at such things, about to get my hands dirty with layers of image, and wonder where my time would be best spent.

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« Reply #1 on: 06 19, 2005, 07:34: AM »

Well, i am not expert, but I am currently using photoshop cs to construct and animate my klingon LCARS.  So far, so good.
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« Reply #2 on: 06 19, 2005, 07:58: PM »

It is my understanding that Photoshop 7 and CS are different and separate applications. I look forward to being corrected ny one with more knowledge and experience than I...

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« Reply #3 on: 06 20, 2005, 07:13: AM »

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A number of graphic designers and other computer artistes have passed through these Forums. I seek their opinions.

How goes Adobe Photoshop 7 compare to GIMP in terms of flexibility, ease of learning, etc?  I am a rank beginner at such things, about to get my hands dirty with layers of image, and wonder where my time would be best spent.

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Photo Shop has a deceivingly flat early learning curve and to be honest, the flexibility of PS is easier to understand than that of TheGimp.

Both are equal in what they can do, but PS is slightly better documented.
This is going on an older version of PS, not PS 7.0.

TheGimp is for free, if you care at all about paying for your software... 8-)
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« Reply #4 on: 06 20, 2005, 09:56: PM »

My thanks for your recommendations!

Ordinarily, the "free is a very good price" principle would be the deciding factor. But I have access to the PS 7, so this is one of the few decisions that doesn't have to be based on cost.

Looking through GIMP's documentation, tutorials, and instruction manual, all appear to assume more prior knowledge and experience than I in fact have. Once again I am reminded that Open Source does not always live up to its potential. }}:-\

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« Reply #5 on: 06 21, 2005, 01:50: AM »

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My thanks for your recommendations!

Looking through GIMP's documentation, tutorials, and instruction manual, all appear to assume more prior knowledge and experience than I in fact have.
To play the OpenSource advocate again though:

Have a look at the Lite Quickies
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Once again I am reminded that Open Source does not always live up to its potential. }}:-\

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I don't doubt TheGimp is a very good program, but sadly the learning curve is slightly steeper than that of PS...
And a rule in my book is: If you have access to one program, why consider using another? Not before you tried the one you have, anyway...
 
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« Reply #6 on: 06 22, 2005, 09:52: PM »

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And a rule in my book is: If you have access to one program, why consider using another?
In this case, because one has access to two programs and cannot comprehend the instructions to at least one of them. }}:-\

Re: Light Quickies: }}: D !! {qatlho''a'}!* I had not yet found to those in my search for documentation.

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« Reply #7 on: 06 30, 2005, 05:55: PM »

If memory serves me i think there is a skin for thegimp...That will make it look like Photoshop so that you can prettymuch take a photoshop tutoral and use it for gimp ..If you want more info let me know and i will look it back up..I think the skin is free too
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« Reply #8 on: 06 30, 2005, 10:36: PM »

The skinny on skins?

It is my understanding that a skin is a pre-made graphic installed over the default paint job.

For example, the horizontal red bars at the top of the threads and their posts were originally French blue and pink in color. Lady K'Zin thought them reminiscent of the Federation and did not appreciate the gradation of blues and grays that still appear in the envelopes beside the topic lists in each forum, in posters' signatures, and around the code buttons above the text entry box of the posting forms. She was able to acquire another skin and modify it to superimpose red over the blue. Now the Forums run red and mauve in the colors of Klingon blood blah blah blah. Those with slow internet connections may notice that as the page loads it does so in the original blue and pink before it is overlaid with the red.

Gimp is an image manipulation program, not a skin. Loading a skin over GIMP would be pointless because the visible part of GIMP consists primarily of toolbars. Cover the toolbars and one cannot use the tools.

I am finding that there is a fair amount of overlap between PS and Gimp, but the systems are far from identical or interchangable.

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« Reply #9 on: 07 03, 2005, 01:21: AM »

I don't think i made myself clear.The 'skin' i was talking about rearranges the toolbars and buttens to make it very close to the arrangement of PS
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« Reply #10 on: 07 03, 2005, 08:47: PM »

You misunderstand. Changing the cosmetics of the application will not change its internal functioning.

Is there one who knows more of such things than tmk1000 and myself who can provide a definitive answer?

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« Reply #11 on: 07 04, 2005, 12:22: AM »

Hmmm, You are both kind of right...  Let me just close the gap between what the two of you are saying.

   Okay, a skin is a set of graphics that provide the graphical interface for a program that was designed to allow users to replace the look and feel.   Not all programs allow it and not all skins are implemented the say way.  The board's seems to load the default colors first and then overlay the skin...  This is fairly unusual behaviour in my experience.  Most programs are smart enough to draw themselves only once using the correct skin right away, and fall back to the default look and feel if the skin cannot be loaded.

    Yes, a skin cannot change the actual functioning of the program (unless the program is programmed to change how it functions based on the skin...  It's stupid, but stranger things have happened).   But it can rearrange the menus to be layed out differently, to be more familiar to users of a different application.   They still do the (in this case) the GIMP thing, but the menus are arranged to look more like Photoshop.  So that a photoshop tutorial may help you navigate the options, but would eventually lead to much confusion when GIMP did things it's own way instead of the way Photoshop does them...

    I think it is beat to pick one and learn it as it asctully is.  If you have access to Photoshop and anticipate that you will continue to have access to upto dat versions, then I suggest you learn Photoshop.  The GIMP is really very nice, but it is a much younger product than Photoshop.  Younger apps have more bugs and fewer featers than older ones.  However, it's growing up quickly, and you can't beat the price, so you know you will always be able to afford the latest version.
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« Reply #12 on: 06 13, 2006, 01:16: PM »

Adding to this topic:

Other, more experienced graphic artists have worked with both, and googling for them, I found this and this.

Not to sway anyone's mind to either PS or TG, though.
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« Reply #13 on: 06 14, 2006, 02:41: AM »

I have to admit my ignorance here... But PS had a sufficiently difficult learning curve, that even when I had a *Free* copy I was mostly unable to use it...<Sigh>... And I have never attempted GIMP... (Because Photo Shop drove me batty)...

Eventually I probably need to break down and take a graphics course of One sort or another...<Grin>...
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« Reply #14 on: 06 14, 2006, 04:08: AM »

also there is still a lot PS can do, which i don't know, i found it easier to work with than gimp. have to admit, when i tried gimp i was already using ps for a while.

anyhow on first sight i didn't quite understand gimp and so i stayed with PS.
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« Reply #15 on: 06 14, 2006, 05:59: AM »

Whatever I do, I force myself to use The Gimp. I don't have a copy of PS lying around anymore 8-)
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« Reply #16 on: 06 14, 2006, 06:26: PM »

    I'm using GIMP...   Cos yeah, I can't afford Photoshop and theya re both pretty baffling to use at first.   Most of the people who are complaining about GIMP's Interface seem to be veteren photoshoppers...  So really can't be sure it it is bad or just different to them.   I am not a professional graphic artist, but so far GIMP has been able to do everything I have wanted it to. 
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