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« on: 10 25, 2006, 08:22: PM »

Greetings once again.

I'd be interested to hear of any experiences that anyone here has had in preparing qagh. Also I'd be interested to know if anyone has had any success in simulating the movement of live qagh (without the use of Mr. Neelix' kinesthetic agent, that is)  Cheesy

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« Reply #1 on: 10 25, 2006, 09:15: PM »

Well, down at the fishing tackle shop my husband frequents they sell containers of live earthworms - they never look very fresh to me though, not much wiggle in them...  (the maggots have a good wriggle but I won't even comment on the different colours they seem to be dyed)

Seriously, I read somewhere that on set they used noodles with a little rotating thingy underneath to make it look as though they were moving.  I don't know if that's true though.

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« Reply #2 on: 10 26, 2006, 05:59: PM »

Having it wrigging on the the plate is one thing but how do you create the wriggle as it goes down?!  Sick

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« Reply #3 on: 11 30, 2006, 03:58: PM »

Having it wrigging on the the plate is one thing but how do you create the wriggle as it goes down?!  Sick
I suppose we'll just have to leave that to the genetic engineers.  Maybe they'll create a nutritious, wriggling organism for us to eat!
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« Reply #4 on: 03 03, 2007, 07:53: PM »

how do you make gagh i realy would like to know  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: 03 04, 2007, 12:07: AM »



    I think you are old enough to know this, so I will tell you.

     When one serpent worm loves another serpent worm very much...   Well, perhaps it is enough to say that gagh make themselves.

     Klingons don't make gagh, they prepare gagh but marinating them in a sauce that is toxic to them (and probably half the species in the quadrant as well).   Klingon chefs I understand guard their gagh recipes carefully, so I have none to share.  But the important thing is timing,  to prepare the gagh so they absorb the sauce thoroughly, but are still alive long enough to be eaten.

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« Reply #6 on: 03 04, 2007, 08:21: AM »

When one serpent worm loves another serpent worm very much...   


Actually, if their biology resembles that of similar creatures on Earth (which is a whole seperate debate) then gagh are probably hermaphrodite.


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« Reply #7 on: 03 04, 2007, 05:53: PM »

how do you make gagh i realy would like to know  Smiley

If you mean, how does one prepare actual worms for qagh, I will say that I have never cooked with worms and never will, but there are recipes using earthworms.  I do know that  they prepare them by keeping them in a tub of cornmeal, so they eat only that for a few days until their digestive tracts are cleaned out, then they grind them up and use them in meatloaf, etc.  There are other cuisines that cook other types of worms (usually grubs or caterpillars), generally by frying.  I don't know any cuisines that eat raw worms, although some peoples do eat termites raw.

As for fake qagh, Lawrence Schoen of the KLI has a recipe using gummy worms in chocolate sauce.  He once put some sort of motor-and-cam contraption at the bottom of a deep bowl, covered them with plastic wrap, and then poured the "qagh" over it, so it moved on the plate.  It doesn't move in your hand, but you could do what the actors on ST did and just twirl them between your fingers slightly as you raise them up to your mouth.


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« Reply #8 on: 03 04, 2007, 08:16: PM »

Actually, if their biology resembles that of similar creatures on Earth (which is a whole seperate debate) then gagh are probably hermaphrodite.

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     Just because they are Hermaphroditic doesn't invalodate my sentence.  Just because you have sexual charataristics of both sexes does not mean you can inpregnate yourself.   Although I conceed that Earthworms can reproduce asexually.
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« Reply #9 on: 06 15, 2007, 11:31: PM »

The closest i've gotten to eating gagh is when i was 5 years old and ate a few ants.  I'm still looking for websites selling chocolate-covered ants, so I could try again. Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: 06 16, 2007, 01:03: AM »

how do you make gagh i realy would like to know  Smiley

If you mean, how does one prepare actual worms for qagh, I will say that I have never cooked with worms and never will, but there are recipes using earthworms.  I do know that  they prepare them by keeping them in a tub of cornmeal, so they eat only that for a few days until their digestive tracts are cleaned out, then they grind them up and use them in meatloaf, etc.  There are other cuisines that cook other types of worms (usually grubs or caterpillars), generally by frying.  I don't know any cuisines that eat raw worms, although some peoples do eat termites raw.
I am very much interested in creating a healthy, nutricious and genuine qagh recipe.
This means using live worms, a sauce that is edible for the eater but deadly for the worms.

I have been "advised" to use widgedy grubs (or whatever these big white caterpillars are called), but that would not cut it for me. Also a sweet dish of makebelieve qagh is not what I envision...
The cornmeal solution sounds useable, the grinding afterwards doesn't  Smiley

The closest i've gotten to eating gagh is when i was 5 years old and ate a few ants.  I'm still looking for websites selling chocolate-covered ants, so I could try again. Cheesy
I've seen some funny insect-related foods in an English (Manchester) store around christmas... Should have bought/tried some of that, reallly, but didn't.


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« Reply #11 on: 06 16, 2007, 04:59: AM »

I am very much interested in creating a healthy, nutricious and genuine qagh recipe.
This means using live worms, a sauce that is edible for the eater but deadly for the worms.

Of course, your desire is doomed to failure, because there are no real qagh worms anywhere on earth.  Smiley  It's entirely possible that no terrestrial organism has the same properties as qagh, so none could serve as a usable substitute.


Reminds me of how my wife cooks: "I made tuna casserole, except I didn't have any tuna, so I used tofu, and cabbage leaves instead of noodles.  Otherwise, it's the same as that dish you liked the last time..."  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: 06 16, 2007, 09:14: AM »

I am very much interested in creating a healthy, nutricious and genuine qagh recipe.
This means using live worms, a sauce that is edible for the eater but deadly for the worms.

Of course, your desire is doomed to failure, because there are no real qagh worms anywhere on earth.  Smiley  It's entirely possible that no terrestrial organism has the same properties as qagh, so none could serve as a usable substitute.


Reminds me of how my wife cooks: "I made tuna casserole, except I didn't have any tuna, so I used tofu, and cabbage leaves instead of noodles.  Otherwise, it's the same as that dish you liked the last time..."  Wink
Cheesy Of course the "genuine" in my post should read "as close to genuine as possible".
Since I do not know what exactly ghargh looks/tastes like, and therefor cannot make a genuine qagh dish, I am talking about a dish with live, edible (how edible are earthworms anyway?) worms, and the above described sauce in some form or another.
As long as it is deadly for the worms and edible/enjoyable for humans/klingon lubbers.

In other words: a close proximity of qagh for a close proximity of tlhInganpu'

Since from your description of the imminent failure of my attempt I understand that you haven't tasted genuine qagh yourself, the simile of your wife's cooking, however amusing, goes limp... Smiley Wink

* qagh = gagh
   ghargh = serpent worm, the main ingredient of qagh
   tlhInganpu' = klingons
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« Reply #13 on: 06 16, 2007, 05:21: PM »

Earthworms are completely edible!  You can google several recipes in a few minutes.  But why would you want to?  My impression of serpent worms is that they are basically miniature moray eels: like all Klingon fauna, they are viscious, fast-moving, and can bite.  I believe this is why they are put in the vermicidal sauce.  Although I doubt if the average klingon would care if their food tries to bite them while they're biting it, you probably couldn't keep normal, active serpent worms on your plate long enough to eat them.  The sauce stuns them into relative immobility.  The fact that the sauce is eventually lethal to them is a testiment to their inherent vigor.

I don't know of any earthworms that behave that way.  I think they're pretty slow-moving anyway, and you couldn't pay me enough to eat an earthworm swimming in bug-killer.  If you insist on a drug-laden sauce, I'd suggest a wine sauce, maybe fortified with vodka.  That should stun the worms (or throw them into spasms of pain, if the alcohol burns their skin), and maybe help the diners forget what they're eating, if they drink enough of it!   Wink


If you're going to reproduce disgusting Star Trek foods, why not try your hand at kanar?  I always though that Vietnamese fish sauce in vodka or brandy might make a good "authentic" kanar.

Maybe Star Trek banquet scenes should come with a disclaimer: "Professionals at work; do not try at home".   Smiley  Smiley  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: 06 21, 2007, 06:07: AM »

I attended a convention a few years ago in Minneapolis Minnesota, where the local KAG ship had a booth if you will, that was a room beside an open attrium, and had a number of uniformed officers milling around to attract the mundanes at the convention.  On the table in front of the room was a small bowl of meal worms, the kind used in fishing, that had been fed corn meal a while to clean them out.  When I first saw it, one of the Klingons picked one up, popped it in his mouth and chewed it up and swallowed it.  I then saw a preatty young Feddie female in a red dress type original series uniform do the same.  Since I was a Klingon, though not in uniform, as I didn't have one yet, couldn't be shown up by a Feddie female, did the same.  It wasn't bad.  No real taste.  The next year I was at that same convention, in uniform this time, I was behind the counter with the rest of the Klingons, and a young human boy, around 15 -16 years old, came up to the counter, looked into the bowl, and looked quizzically.   Cheesy  I had to do it, I picked up one of the biggest, popped it in, and decided to play with this earther, pushed it out between the front teeth.  It wiggled at him.  I then popped my head back like an animal swallowing a bite of meat, and the worm fell back in, I crunched it between the teeth, and grinned.  The boy, turned a distinctive green, and took off with a definate look that he was going to toss his cookies.  That is what is a good kind of live worm that can be used as gagh.  What's nice, they do wiggle on their own too.
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« Reply #15 on: 06 21, 2007, 01:14: PM »

Years ago in NYC the hotel that most of the conventions were at had a sushi bar in the lobby. This lead to the tradition of Klingons eating sushi at the counter in the front window. One time since I was alone at the club recruiting table, I had to get take out and bring it back to the table. Since I was standing next to the table I got a rice bowl with roast eel in it and spent a while eating it without any utensils. I think I made a few of the feddies sick and possibly some of the fans as they passed by also.
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« Reply #16 on: 07 24, 2007, 02:57: AM »

No One Ever Said It Had To MOVE!
Im Just looking for something that doesnt move
and tastes good not earthworms EWW!
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« Reply #17 on: 07 24, 2007, 06:35: AM »

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quoth ter'eS: My impression of serpent worms is that they are basically miniature moray eels: like all Klingon fauna, they are viscious, fast-moving, and can bite.

Hmm. I had always thought them to be more leech-like.

Until I saw this composite screen cap of gagh dishes. It looks like we have, starting in the upper left and going clockwise:
rainbow spaghetti (a mixture of noodles made from tomato, spinach, and durham wheat flour); mung bean(?) sprouts, possibly with the seed pods removed; some other bean sprout I can't identify; and mixed round rice noodles boiled in some sort of vegetable oil. (Note that real food does not hold up well under filming conditions, so these may be non-edible creations from the props department. The dish featured in the last picture could be spray-painted shoe laces for all I know.)

The nearest unifying theme here is vaguely long, round, and squishy. From this I conclude that gagh is a category of animal, and does not refer to a single species or morph.

Addendum: This is supported by the DS9 episode "Prodigal Daughter," in which EDax says: "I can remember what each one tastes like... and the way they... move when you swallow them. Torgud gagh wiggles. Filden gagh squirms. Meshta gagh jumps. [...] Bithool gagh has feet. [...] Wistan gagh is packed in targ blood..."

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quoth qapla100000: No One Ever Said It Had To MOVE!
Im Just looking for something that doesnt move and tastes good not earthworms EWW!

The whole point of gagh is that it DOES have to move. What is the point of eating non-moving gagh? If you are content to eat something that looks like worms but doesnít move, just eat spaghetti in tomato sauce.

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Leave it to coddled Earthers to get sqeamisch around basic finger foods.
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« Reply #18 on: 09 28, 2007, 02:03: AM »

Considering the term, serpent worm, has anyone tried, or actually (in a safer vein) seriously thought about baby snakes? I know, I know, this then raises serious ethical issues (in regards to treatment of animals). I would never go there myself! I love reptiles (I have a two year old Green Iguana named Scratch) But naively I ask, is it even legal and healthy?
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If you're going to reproduce disgusting Star Trek foods, why not try your hand at kanar?  I always though that Vietnamese fish sauce in vodka or brandy might make a good "authentic" kanar.
That sounds gross, but a step in the right direction.  I always thought of kanar as some thick Hoisin Sauce mixed with Kahlua or Jšgermeister.
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« Reply #19 on: 09 28, 2007, 04:17: PM »

Jager & Hoisin, now that sounds nasty as well, but then again I am not a big fan of Jager.
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« Reply #20 on: 09 29, 2007, 01:01: AM »

Heh heh. I'm sure it wouldn't be so agreeable with our Terran palates. I suppose a nicer version would be Chocolate syrup, dark rum, corn syrup and Kahlua. Of course, the next step is for someone to try to make these Cardassian recipes.
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« Reply #21 on: 09 30, 2007, 05:10: AM »

Considering the term, serpent worm, has anyone tried, or actually (in a safer vein) seriously thought about baby snakes? I know, I know, this then raises serious ethical issues (in regards to treatment of animals). I would never go there myself! I love reptiles (I have a two year old Green Iguana named Scratch) But naively I ask, is it even legal and healthy?

Aside from possible venom issues, I would think that the main problem of eating such a creature would be in digesting its bones. Vertebral processes (the parts that stick out from the round part) can be quite sharp, sharp enough to lacerate the esophagus before hitting the stomach and being ground down by stomach acids. The digestive enzymes in saliva arenít strong enough to dull the surface much. However, bones in vertebrate young are not fully formed; solid bone spreads out from certain cell formation sites in a given bone as the animal grows. If baby snake bones are spongy enough and/or thoroughly chewed, they could probably be safely eaten. Once you consult with your friendly neighborhood herpetologist on the toxicity issue and sort out any legal matters with your local Dept. of Fish and Game or equivalent, testing for edibility would make for an interesting culinary experiment.

You go first.

As to the ethical issues, well, what qualifies as food is largely culturally determined. A snack popular South Korea consists of dipping a live baby octopus in sesame oil and swallowing it. They donít have much flavor, but the fun is in the fight as you try to swallow while it holds on to your face for dear life. In comparison, mere gagh is suitable only for small children and invalids.

In the evolutionary course of any sentient species, you have to figure that at some point, someone has tried to eat anything and everything available in their environment to make the hunger pains stop. If what they just ate makes everything stop, itís likely that someone elsed in the group would notice and spread the word. Iím pretty sure that baby snakes have been among those small wrigggly things sampled, some time, somewhere.

But eating iguanas, that would just be wrong.
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A snack popular South Korea consists of dipping a live baby octopus in sesame oil and swallowing it.
G'day't, now that's a Terran meal fit for a warrior! Egh! I do love the dead sushi version, though.  I recall now that (I am almost positive) I saw an episode of Man vs Wild were the host did find and eat a baby snake (head first).  Regardless, I must admit I am not brave enough to (be the first to) try eating a live baby snake. To add to another of your subjects- in regards to what humankind dares to eat, think of the first person to make haggis, or just plain sausage! What person thought to grind up an animal's flesh, stuff it into it's boiled intestines, and then boil or grill it again to eat it? Lastly, I could never think of my pet as food. Though other peoples throughout the Americas have, they gotta do what they gotta do. Ugh.
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« Reply #23 on: 10 14, 2007, 03:37: AM »

I am surprised that no one has yet mentioned qagh tlhIq*. If all the qagh is not eaten at one sitting, the heated leftovers make a savory stew.

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Kaz:  To add to another of your subjects- in regards to what humankind dares to eat, think of the first person to make haggis, or just plain sausage! What person thought to grind up an animal's flesh, stuff it into it's boiled intestines, and then boil or grill it again to eat it?
For haggis and a little sausage, see this post in the Rokeg Blood Pie thread.

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Lastly, I could never think of my pet as food. Though other peoples throughout the Americas have, they gotta do what they gotta do. Ugh.
I would have to be in dire straights indeed to even consider eating Fluffy or the Kirakat. I hope I never have to make such a decision.
For more on pets as food, see the Targh thread.

Now. Who has more qagh?


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« Reply #24 on: 12 02, 2007, 05:07: PM »

I need to remember to discuss making chocolate betleHHommey and a workable recipe for real life ghargh with the host of the new year's eve ship's meet...

I really DO want o create real-life qagh... Just where to find the worms... and what to put in the sauce that's lethal for them but tasty for me...

betleHHommey = small bat'leths
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