Klingon Women

[J'Maq]

Klingon women in Klingon society. More liberated and equal than human women in human society?  About the same?
Less?

[KAllen]

More in some ways, but not all.

Its true that they have been featured on ships as fighting warriors. However, they still arn't allowed to serve on the High Council, or act as "Head of a House" w/out "special dispensation"(Grilka). It never has been said whether they can command a ship either.

[Kesvirit]

quoth J’Maq: Klingon women in Klingon society. More liberated and equal than human women in human society?

Which Human society? When, where? You need to be more specific -- there have been many different Human societies over the years, and much as I hate to think about it there will be many more to come.

quoth KAllen:   However, they still arn't allowed to serve on the High Council, or act as "Head of a House" w/out "special dispensation" (Grilka).

I suggest you take this up with Chancellor Azetbur, who upon her father's death lead both her house and the High Council with no mention of “special dispensation”.

quoth KAllen:  It never has been said whether they can command a ship either.

It has and they can. Commander Aklein served as captain of the battlecruiser Irik and led the Imperial task force at Muscae IV. And did not Lursa command an entire revolutionary force from its flagship?

If you are serious about exploring gender relations I recommend you take a stiff drink and peruse the Gender, Hunting, Agriculture, “Ritual Gardening”... and Nature of Klingon Society threads.

[KAllen]

[I suggest you take this up with Chancellor Azetbur, who upon her father's death lead both her house and the High Council with no mention of “special dispensation”.

The Chancellor part was true, however, she made the statement that "in the interest of peace, I have been named Chancellor" So the High Council had to use some sort of "special dispensation". It was never said anything about the House.  However,I believe it was either Worf or K'heyler that said women can't serve on the High Council.  Remember Gowron's offer if she would "speed things up" when he and Duras were fighting for the Chancellor.

And did not Lursa command an entire revolutionary force from its flagship?

No...the Romulans were running the show on that...the Duras sisters were Romulan Puppets being fed what to do by the Romulans. So, the Duras sisters are nothing but Romulans.

As far as Aklein, I've never heard of her.

[Corrected Quote tags  -Klythe]

[Kesvirit]

quoth KAllen:  The Chancellor part was true, however, she made the statement that "in the interest of peace, I have been named Chancellor" So the High Council had to use some sort of "special dispensation".

That is hardly “special dispensation”. That is merely an announcement that the new Chancellor intends to carry on the plans of her predecessor, an act to reassure the flighty Federation delegation on the other side of the table.

However,I believe it was either Worf or K'heyler that said women can't serve on the High Council.  Remember Gowron's offer if she would "speed things up" when he and Duras were fighting for the Chancellor.

This has already been addressed by Klythe in his 10 08, 2003, 11:18: PM  post to the
Gender, Hunting, Agriculture, “Ritual Gardening” thread, and one of many reasons I have directed those with an interest in gender relations to read it. Do so before adding to this one.

No...the Romulans were running the show on that...the Duras sisters were Romulan Puppets being fed what to do by the Romulans. So, the Duras sisters are nothing but Romulans.

Lursa’s only act of dishonor was one of omission by keeping her Rihannsu sources a secret from her multitude of followers. I forsee many duels for you, for you have insulted the legions of warriors who supported the House Duras. I trust you will be hiring multiple bodyguards to watch your back. Not even Kahless could hold off so many challengers.

As far as Aklein, I've never heard of her.

Have you listened, or otherwise sought knowledge of things Klingon beyond the viewscreen? You would do well to expand your database. Aklein appears in Doctor’s Orders.

[KAllen]

Oh...didn't know were were debating totally non-cannon stuff...

In that case...we've had 4 Women Emperors, 6 Chancellors, an all female High Council, and and ENTIRE Fleet of female ships(yes leaders and grunts). The flagship of the fleet was the IKV Femi'Nazi. How do I know?  Because I just fired them out of my non-cannon.

I don't have enough free time to read EVERY book, fan fiction, or filk that comes down the Jefferies Tube. I wish I did. Maybe when I win Powerball, I can.

I was never implying that Klingon Culture is completely male dominated and females are delegated to being sub-ordinates. I was sharing the info that I had come across. If its not as vast as some, refer to the previous paragraph.  I also didn't know we had to agree totally with you to post on this thread.

[qoSagh]

I believe I posted most of my opinions on this matter in the previous threads. However I would like to point out that if it weren't for non-canon stuff we wouldn't have half the knowledge of our glorious empire that we do. Also your plans for winning Powerball are conflicting with my own plans to win Powerball. I think it's up to around 350 Million right now, gee I could actually afford that overpriced Paraborg Armor they sell in Vegas.

[Kesvirit]

quoth KAllen: Oh...didn't know were were debating totally non-cannon stuff...

You consider ST6 and “Generations” to be non-canon? And since when do we limit ourselves to canon on these boards? If we did, at the very least the conversation would be dull indeed.

quoth KAllen: In that case...we've had 4 Women Emperors, 6 Chancellors, an all female High Council, and and ENTIRE Fleet of female ships(yes leaders and grunts). The flagship of the fleet was the IKV Femi'Nazi. How do I know?  Because I just fired them out of my non-cannon. *** I also didn't know we had to agree totally with you to post on this thread.

Conquer your temper and collect yourself. The veins on your forehead stand out to the point of overshadowing your ridges.

quoth KAllen: I don't have enough free time to read EVERY book, fan fiction, or filk that comes down the Jefferies Tube.

Who does? I cite Doctor’s Orders because it is an enduringly popular book from the Pocket line that is accepted in general fanon. Anyone wishing a copy who can’t find it at their favorite bookstore can order it here.

quoth KAllen: I was never implying that Klingon Culture is completely male dominated and females are delegated to being sub-ordinates. I was sharing the info that I had come across. If its not as vast as some, refer to the previous paragraph.

And I was sharing info that I had come across in the form of Aklein in response to your opening of the topic:

KAllen: It never has been said whether they can command a ship either.

Kesvirit: It has and they can. Commander Aklein served as captain of the battlecruiser Irik and led the Imperial task force at Muscae IV. And did not Lursa command an entire revolutionary force from its flagship?

Refer to my previous post and the Gender, Hunting, Agriculture, “Ritual Gardening”... and Nature of Klingon Society threads mentioned above.
 
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