Klingon Imperial Forums
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
Did you miss your
activation email?
05 24, 2012, 08:38: PM
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
Search:
Advanced search
Thu 28Aug2008 22:30 PDT:
Guest access restored.
11538
Posts in
1551
Topics by
820
Members
Latest Member:
sarakkatz
Klingon Imperial Forums
Klingon Arts and Media
The Inspirational Media Room: Klingon-related Books, TV & Movies
Classics of Klingon Literature
The Final Reflection (Revisited)
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
Author
Topic: The Final Reflection (Revisited) (Read 3492 times)
J'Maq
Senior Courier
Offline
Posts: 58
The Final Reflection (Revisited)
«
on:
12 28, 2005, 04:45: AM »
Greetings. Last week a group of fellow warriors and I discussed John M.
Ford's novel The Final Reflection. Many observations were made concerning the book, but the most noted observation was its
being referred to as the "Klingon Bible." This wasn't the first time
I heard that remark about Mr. Ford's book. And I began to wonder
if the statement held any true merit. Since its 1984 release, a plethora
of changes and embellishments have been made in the Klingon universe.
(As to the positive and negative aspects of those changes/embellishments I'll let you decide.) Anyway, my question is, my friends--outside of the book's historical/entertainment value--does The Final Reflection remain relevant as a viable point of reference? Or has the so called Klingon Bible become an antiquity, having only sentimental value? Your thoughts, please.
*Previously in TE
Logged
J'Maq, son of Maal
Member of House Reshtarc
Klingon Archivist
"The character of a Klingon warrior is measured not only by the metal of his blade--but also by the mettle of his heart."
Klythe
ngem Sargh lIghwI' pagh cha'
Administrator
Thought Master
Online
Posts: 1019
When a show of teeth doesn't work, bite deeply.
Re: The Final Reflection (Revisited)
«
Reply #1 on:
12 28, 2005, 01:10: PM »
Personally, it still lies deeply in my heart and my liver. It speaks to me far more than any of the newer Klingons-as-Vikings, Kahless-as-Messiah, Worf-drinking-prune-juice books which have started to appear in bookshelves. I'd argue that canon is canon, but good writing is a far better thing than canon.
Than again... It could just be that I'm old school and to set in my ways. I haven't heard much about what people who's first experience with fandom was the later movies or Next Generation and beyond. Does this book seem relevant to you, even in the context the book presents itself as a fictious take on a historical grey area? Or could you be just as satisfied tossing it into the disintegration shute, without another thought of what it might say to you?
Logged
tmk1000
Old Guard
Lettered Veteran
Offline
Posts: 180
Re: The Final Reflection (Revisited)
«
Reply #2 on:
01 09, 2006, 04:21: PM »
I also feel good righting is better.
There are many books that I like their story
better than the show or movie that it was based on.
«
Last Edit: 03 18, 2006, 11:15: PM by tmk1000
»
Logged
{ro'qegh'Iwchab HInob.}
"May your coordinates be free of tribbles."
{QuvlIjDaq yIH tu'be'lu'jaj.}
emperorkalan
Newcomer
Offline
Posts: 3
Re: The Final Reflection (Revisited)
«
Reply #3 on:
03 17, 2006, 06:29: AM »
For nearly ten years it (and the FASA ST RPG Klingon supplement, also written by Ford and expanding its concepts) were the most significant and in-depth source of material. It really wasn't until the early 90's (Season 3 and 4 of TNG) that there was enough new canon material to make it "wrong".
As for how it holds up? Certainly there are many details that would need to be "reimagined" (hopefully in the "Galactica" sense of that term, not the "Godzilla" or "Planet of the Apes" sense) to adapt them to what is now canon. However, in a broader sense -- specifically in reminding you that Klingon society is more complicated than it seems on the surface -- it holds up very well.
And while noncanon, the recent Klingon novels by Keith DeCandido have attempted to fold a number of TFR's details into the now-canon Klingon structure: Ford's Klingon afterlife of "The Black Fleet" now sails from Sto'vo'kor, some characters play klin zha, and most significantly Imperial Intelligence operates much as Ford outlined.
And oddly enough, Ford's solution to the "forehead problem", by explaining it as the result of genetic fusions, actually has become canon, even if the exact history of it is different.
Logged
qoSagh
Warrior Bard of the Ontological
Thought Master
Offline
Posts: 1032
Re: The Final Reflection (Revisited)
«
Reply #4 on:
03 19, 2006, 08:53: PM »
With the new(ish) reprint that came out last year, that had TFR and Kahless in one volume, could this now make it even more bible like? Could TFR be the old testament and Kahless the new? Interestingly enough, the Gorkon books are not the only ones to attempt to reconcile the two histories. The two vengeance trilogies, that take place in the TOS time period, deal with the reemergence of the Kahless cult, and the departure from the treacherous ways of the fusions. I wonder if the reprint has had anything to do with the other authors attempting to meld these theories?
Logged
qoSagh qlIStIy
meycha of the qaptaQ
www.qaptaQ.org
Prothonotary of the Desert Rite
"I would kill the children of a thousand planets, just to see you smile."
Pages:
[
1
]
« previous
next »
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Forum Etiquette, News & Announcements
-----------------------------
=> Rules and Regulations: The Forum Etiquette & Posting Guidelines (MUST READ BEFORE POSTING)
=> Forum News & Announcements
===> Returning Members Must Read in Order to Sign In
=> Forum Feedback
-----------------------------
General Discussions
-----------------------------
=> The Reception Hall
=> General Discussions
=> Klingon News
===> Klingon Events & Activities
=====> Convention Reports and Reviews
=====> Invitations to Events (Open to All)
=====> Blood Drives
=====> Other
===> Klingon Community News
===> Klingons in the News
===> The Comics Section
-----------------------------
Klingon Language & Culture
-----------------------------
=> Klingon Ceremonies, Rituals & Traditions
===> Ceremonies & Traditions: General Questions & Discussion
===> Matters of Family, Line, and House
===> Klingon Religion and Spirituality
===> Warriors’ Rites & Traditions
=> Klingon Language
===> Requests for Translations
===> General Language Discussion in English
===> Conversation in thlIngan Hol only
=> Klingon Religion & Beliefs
=> Klingon Social Studies
-----------------------------
Klingon Arts and Media
-----------------------------
=> Klingon Arts and Music
===> Klingon Art and Artwork
===> Klingon Music and Lyrics
=> Klingon Poetry and Short Stories
===> Klingon Poetry
===> Klingon Short Stories
=> The Inspirational Media Room: Klingon-related Books, TV & Movies
===> Classics of Klingon Literature
===> Klingons on Television
===> Klingons on the Big Screen
-----------------------------
Other Klingon-related Topics
-----------------------------
=> The Klingon Kitchen
=> The Klingon Game Room
===> Klin Zha
===> RPGs and Sims
=====> Empire of Warriors RPG(Retired)
=====> Fall of the Hurq
=====> The Recruiting Center
===> Klingon and Star Trek computer games
=> The Klingon Science Lab
===> Klingon Biology & Physiology
===> Klingon Technology and Engineering
===> Stellar Sciences
=> The Klingon Marketplace
-----------------------------
Klingon Guilds
-----------------------------
=> Klingon Imperial Costumers Guild
===> Uniforms & Tunics
===> Pins, Jewelry & Badges
===> Props, Accessories & Footwear
===> Make-up & Headpieces
=> Klingon Webmasters Guild
===> Introduce Your Website
===> Web Design Questions
===> Software Reviews & Recommendations
===> Designing for Accessibility
=> Klingon Programmers Guild
=> Klingon Line Registry
===> Post your family line history
===> House and family alliances and adoptions
===> Places to promote your house, family, and line
===> General house & family line discussions