No More Star Trek! Enterprise cancelled

[tilk]

Hi I just went to a convention and found out from the Assistant DIrector of enterprise, that it has been cancelled.
BUT Paramount will be doing another movie enven thoug they hav enot figured out what it will be yet.

[SoplaHtaHwI']

Hi I just went to a convention and found out from the Assistant DIrector of enterprise, that it has been cancelled.
BUT Paramount will be doing another movie enven thoug they hav enot figured out what it will be yet.

I have heard this too.
In my opinion it is not such a big problem that Enterprise has died. I, like Paramount/Viacom, believe in the power of franchising, and don't see the money stream die that quickly.
Furthermore do I believe in the power of the fan, as so aptly displayed by the Klindom: we can make our own universe...
What Star Trek needs according to me is a broader understanding of the word "trek"...
 <_<  

[tmk1000]

I think so to.All though i am sad for the cast and crew,and it is always sad to see a trek die,i was not to fond of the series...That said i hope that they make a movie about DS9,or VOY.I think that the TNG movies have been done to death

[qoSagh]

A DS9 movie would be cool. I am sure that Paraborg will o som odd plot evice that will allow casts from several series to merge. I think the biggest problem with the TNG movies is that they were out of character.

Think about it, Picard spent the entire series sending Riker to investigate the planet below, but became a suave swashbuckling hero in the movies. Then there was the whole Trois/Riker/Worf thing. Speaking of Worf, they seemed to ignore how someone could be appointed as a Ambasador but periodically pop back in for active duty in Starfleet. I think if memory serves me right, that he also did an unexplained transfer from DS9 to the Enterprise fo the last one too. Then of course Data had to start laughing and Geordi took off his visor. Need I say more?

 

[Kesvirit]

Hi I just went to a convention and found out from the Assistant DIrector of enterprise, that it has been cancelled.

::Gives an unintelligble shout of victory. Invites the neighborhood over to celebrate. Indulges in a victory dance (aka the Happy Dog Butt Dance) with the area’s canid population.::

quoth tilk further: BUT Paramount will be doing another movie enven thoug they hav enot figured out what it will be yet.

::Stops mid tail-shake and whips head around to stare at tilk. Is amazed at how quickly celebrations can be doused.::
This was the same precess that lead to the shipwreck that was “Enterprise” -- making more even though they have not figured out what it will be.

For as SoplaHtaHwI’ points out:

...it is not such a big problem that Enterprise has died. I, like Paramount/Viacom, believe in the power of franchising, and don't see the money stream die that quickly.

::Narrows eyes at SoptaHlaHwI’::
I hope that you, unlike Paramount, would prefer to wait until they have a concrete concept and something to say before generating more Trek, instead of throwing together refuse and promoting it as a dish fit for the Emporer’s anniversary of ascendency in order to continue the endless latinum bar.

-=- Kesvirit

[tilk]

Well, speaking to the assistant director of enterprise, he said that years ago there was talk about a star fleet academy series, but that was never going to happen.
He beleives that there will not be another trek on teli for about three years.
I did read somewhere that there will be another movie with the TNG crew. They went to paramount with one concept(to continue from the last moive) but they did not like it. Paramount however are very keen to make another trek movie. Paramount want enterprise to continue but CPS (TV) did not.
I only watched the series a few times, and felt that Birman had again pulled the trek universe in the wrong direction. Eventhough I did not watch it, it was a sad day for the future of trek.  

[SoplaHtaHwI']

For as SoplaHtaHwI’ points out:

...it is not such a big problem that Enterprise has died. I, like Paramount/Viacom, believe in the power of franchising, and don't see the money stream die that quickly.

::Narrows eyes at SoptaHlaHwI’::
I hope that you, unlike Paramount, would prefer to wait until they have a concrete concept and something to say before generating more Trek, instead of throwing together refuse and promoting it as a dish fit for the Emporer’s anniversary of ascendency in order to continue the endless latinum bar.

-=- Kesvirit

Do not worry, Kesvirit...
I am not from the same wood of Paraborg....
I am convinced that their revenuestream will continue, even without a series to be a motor.

Unlike them I agree with you that they need to stay away from making a series until they have a proper, refreshing storyline, set of writers and most importantly a completely new set of producers.
 

[Klythe]

I would not be upset with Manny Coto continuing to play a larger role, and Berman and Bragga warming the benches for ... ever...    The last season has been a drastic improvement over the previous season.   The third season even more than the rest I think, left everyone asking what show they were watching, because it certainly was not Star Trek.

     Although there were some high points(mostly involving Klingons and Andorians, In my swaggeringly arrogant opinion), the overall concept was an illconcieved notion to reach out to try to be something different to capture the 13-20 crowd (or is that crud), by trying to be sexy instead of being smart.  That failed to create a new audience, and succeeded in alienating the existing audience.

[qoSagh]

I just got an E-Mail asking me to join a letter writing campaign to the Sci-Fi channel to pick up Enterprise. Apparently they are interested in doing so if there is enough fan interest. However in talking with a fellow fan last night, he had heard that paraborgs official standpoint is that Enterprise is done, they have enough for syndication, they are not interested in shopping it around to other networks.

On the one hand it was a letter writing campaign that saved TOS form the Axe briefly, and probably brought about TMP. That being said, is Enterprise really worth saving? Other than being saving trak for traks sake, I see very little redeeming value in such a move.

[Kesvirit]

A letter writing campaign did indeed buy TOS ann extra season -- the third, known even outside of fandom as “the turd season” and that which sealed the fate of the Enterprise (“NCC-1701. No bloody ‘A’, ‘B’, ‘C’, or ‘D’.”) as “the ship that Freiberry sunk”.

And what a season it was, beginning with such fare as “Spock’s Brain” and “And the Children Shall Lead”, continuing through “Plato’s Stepchildren” and “The Way to Eden” and ending on the putrescent, bile-producing “Turnabout Intruder”. Seeing as how these episodes are on par with the pinnacle of “Enterprise’s” efforts, who amongst you really wants to risk the results of a write-in campaign?

Hmmm... Freiberg and Berman... separated at birth? That both were Roddenberry's hand-picked successors supports this hypothesis.

Most of TMP was taken part and parcel from the premise of a second Trek series about the Enterprise’s second five-year mission (and most of the rest of it was recycled into TNG).  This series was to be the flagship program of the new about-to-be-launched Paramount and featured most of the original crew. Apparently Federation transporter technology was not as dependable as its proponents claimed, because the series never materialized.  The Paramount network was sucked into a wormhole only to re-emerge ten years later, big-screen space operas were all the rage, and “Star Trek: Phase II” became ST:TMP.

Details of the aborted series can be found in these rec.arts.startrek.fandom and alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise threads.  Many of these premises and plots will be immediately recognizable from TNG.

-=- Kesvirit

[SoplaHtaHwI']

On the one hand it was a letter writing campaign that saved TOS form the Axe briefly, and probably brought about TMP. That being said, is Enterprise really worth saving? Other than being saving trak for traks sake, I see very little redeeming value in such a move.

I've seen this e-mail too, but all I did with it was pass it on to someone I know likes Trek for Trek's sake and I will ignore it myself.

I think, and have done so since Voyager ended, maybe even before, that Trek should take a holiday for a sufficiently long time... say... 3 years (if not more).

Trek fandom has gained a momentum of its own, and I'm convinced we can keep the legacy and possibly improve on it. This especially goes for Klindom.
Although it was before I was born, Did the fans not grab FASA and walk away with it?

[qoSagh]

The fandom will always be there. Remember that there was a long time between TOS and TMP. That is where the conventions, the role playing games, the original cookbook, some of the best new fiction all came from. Newer fans have been relatively lucky in that there has pretty much always been trek since TNG.

As for the letter writing campaign, I don't think it will work as well as the original one did. This is because when TOS was canceled, there were no plans to bring it back. The fans got it brought back. With Enterprise being  canceled, Paraborg has plans for more trek, just not Enterprise. They may not have anything ready to roll out, but they will come up with something new. Be it the Academy series, the Klingon series or something else entirely. There is no urgency in brionging back a canceled show, because there will be something new to replace it. Knowing Paraqborg it will be the ALL NEW ALL STAR FERENGI TRIBBLE VARIETY HOUR.

[SoplaHtaHwI']

Knowing Paraqborg it will be the ALL NEW ALL STAR FERENGI TRIBBLE VARIETY HOUR.

To be honest, I would welcome any show, as long as it is not the same *!$& flying a ship and meeting weird and wonderful already known races.
Variety? Sounds fun.

The trek universe shown from a planet's Point of View could be very interesting, although that could again be a Feddy-show...

We'll see, I guess, and let's hope they take some time to think about what they're doing...
Enterprise is one series I'm happy I watched via downloads...

[qoSagh]

Yes the idea of a planet based show would be interesting. I always thought DS9 had alot of potential with seeing how a planet's population dealt with impending federation citizenship.

Here's an idea, a show that takes place on Nimbus III, 100 years later, lets see how the experiment worked out. What other races now have observers there. And what if some great natural resource was discovered under the surface, like Dilithium. Shades of How Much for just the planet?

[SoplaHtaHwI']

Here's an idea, a show that takes place on Nimbus III, 100 years later, lets see how the experiment worked out. What other races now have observers there. And what if some great natural resource was discovered under the surface, like Dilithium. Shades of How Much for just the planet?

That does sound good... but I wonder how much of a series is in that...
 

[Klythe]

They would have looked for Dilithium certainly, and it doesn't magically appear where it was not before.   The reason the "Planet of Peace" was still neutral is that no one found anything on it worth having.  It was a worthless chunk of rock.   No one wanted it, amd no one wanted to be there unless they had no where else they could be.   It is possible that some new discovery suddenly makes something previously valueless into something that has quite a bit of economic scarcity.

    I think one of the points in ST5:TFF was that it was already painfully obvious that the experiment was rigged to fail from the beginning.   As funny as "How Much for Just the Planet" was, you could never get that to work as a weekly TV series, because people would quickly get used to it and the novelty would errode too quickly.  I don' t think that slapstick alone is thick and rich enough to sustain most scifi fans and trekkies through the course of 100 episodes.

    Actually I could deal with Sci-Fi channel continuing to make more episodes of Enterprise, but I know Paramont has no intention of letting anyone else get a slice of thier cash cow.

    I was alive for it.  FASA was there for the fans if nothing else as a rallying point, since some of thier stuff wasn't quite as good as other stuff. When TNG came out, Paramount yanked FASA's Trek license, and they haven't been able to anything for Trek since then.   I wouldn't say that the fans grabbed FASA and walked away with it, there may have been some fans consulted or involved, but I have no illusions that FASA just wanted to make money selling RPG books without spending as much on writing and research as I would have liked....   But Paramoun't definately stomped them shortly after they published thier TNG Officer's Manual(I have a copy), and... they probably made the right decision...

[Kesvirit]

Hi I just went to a convention and found out from the Assistant DIrector of enterprise, that it has been cancelled.

Zan tilk, which Assistant Director made the announcement, and at which convention?

Would the one consider adding a write-up of the convention to the Convention Reports and Reviews section?

...the assistant director of enterprise ... said that years ago there was talk about a star fleet academy series, but that was never going to happen.

This idea came up before “Enterprise”, and as far as I can tell mutated into it. The original concept called for a series set at StarFleet Academy featuring a young-and-sexy T’Pau, possibly accompanied by future members of Pike’s crew. I would like to think that widespread fan labeling of the concept as “StarFleet Academy 90210” sent the production team back to the planning boards, but I have an unfortunate tendency to overestimate the collective tastes of Trek fans. T’Pau became N’Pol, and the rest became... ::sighs and shakes head:: obvious.

...the overall concept was an illconcieved notion to reach out to try to be something different to capture the 13-20 crowd (or is that crud), by trying to be sexy instead of being smart. That failed to create a new audience, and succeeded in alienating the existing audience.

Indeed. I have just come across an article at warning: link contains possible spoilers Film Force: The Trek Report stating, among other things, that not only is the write-in campaing to save “Enterprise” failing to have the desired effect at both Paramount and the SciFi Channel, but that

the folks over at KillEnterprise have been sending mail to Paramount thanking them for killing the series.  

Citing a disregard for Trek canon, the group is part of a section of Trek fandom that never warmed up to the idea of a prequel series.  The same group of people (although not specifically the KillEnterprise site itself) have also derided the attempts this season to bring the series more in line with Trek history, calling the attempts "continuity porn."

-=- Kesvirit

[SoplaHtaHwI']

Just a noticeable thing on the Kill Enterprise website:

we could have had an all out slugfest with the Klingons. Instead Klingons appears in a half dozen episodes (maybe at best) in 4 years?? How many Classic series episodes were they in over the same period?

Maybe I'm a bad canon-Klingon, but I had to look up how many Klingon episodes there were in the 3 TOS years. According to one source there were 4... now, that's 4 in 3 years, compared to 3 in 4 years from Enterprise... So what's the point?  

[qoSagh]

Yes it is true, there were very few Klingon episodes. But Klingons (together with the khest Romulans) were the main bad guys. There was mention of Klingons even in a couple of episodes where no Klingons were seen. When the movies got made, the Klingons went up a notch on the bad guy scale, I think it was simply due to a coolness factor, but I digress. When Next Generation came out, as much as I dislike Worf and all he stands for, the Klingons were considered so important an enemy that they made a point of showing that the war was over, and put a Klingon on the Bridge. Romulans were noticably absent from TNG for a bit. DS( and even Voyager featured Klingon plots and characters.

Knowing, or at least having access to all this information, the Paraborg decided to do Enterprise with little Klingon influence, even introducing Ferengi, which is odd that they were known then but never even mentioned in TOS. THen created the Xindi when they needed a Bad Guy. I think that one was more marketing than anything else. Thats why there were many types of Xindi, more masks and toys to sell.

Of course I think the Klingons should have been a prominant part of Enterprise. But then again I thought they were not featured enough in other Trek. I bet most of us on these forums feel the same way. I'm guessing that despite his lacking on the Eopisode count, he was in general just feeling that there was no need to make new bad guys when they had perfectly good ones already.

[Tereth_of_the_House_of_Kreg]

Qapla' everyone. Enterprise really sucked first coupla seasons but its a bad time to shut it down when its just getting good. But since it's end has been affirmed, I would want a DS9 movie, except... What would they do? For the next series: two words: NEW FRONTIER. It would be awesome. Peter David and all that. Look up the books. Stone and Anvil's a good place to start and read'em all.  Yup, that's about all. May your stay free of rust and your bat'leth remain sharp!

[tilk]

um the Assistant director's name was...marshal De Matta or something. Fat , bald, has a goaty. worked on Voyager.

They are saying that Birman is not going to use any cast members from and star trek series inthe next Star trek movie. At first I was outraged, but then I thought for a while, Does he have something there? Has birman done the impossible and pulled a reasonable idea oout of his #@$.

But I will write to him stating that he must take star trek in the direction of the klingon empire and do a mini series set in the Klingon empire.
He will lilsten... Im Australian. :lol:  

[GTman05]

Qapla' everyone. Enterprise really sucked first coupla seasons but its a bad time to shut it down when its just getting good. But since it's end has been affirmed, I would want a DS9 movie, except... What would they do? For the next series: two words: NEW FRONTIER. It would be awesome. Peter David and all that. Look up the books. Stone and Anvil's a good place to start and read'em all.  Yup, that's about all. May your stay free of rust and your bat'leth remain sharp!

i dont know about sucked!, i like to see how the federation came about, and this war with the xindi or zindy or howerver its spelt is a bit far out for my liking but its getting interesting - i hopr they dont shut it down befor i find out what happends *growls*, as for a DS9 movie, yes plz, id love to see a DS9 movie, they could bring Captian Sisko back from the prophets for a battle against the borg or the romulans.

[Abbot Nej vIt]

[Edit -- Moved from No TV, no movies, whither thlIngan Hol?]

We Can only hope...<Sigh>... Course I am A Proponant of a New Trek Series... Hopefully NOT on network T.V. and I Think that it, and the Genre' Would Be Well Served were it an Adult (Not Porn Just Adult), Oriented Animated Series... This way The Series Could Gravitate Towards Several Ongoing Story Arcs that Could Cover Several Species Not Just Humans and the Federation... I am not Naive enough to think that a Klingon Series Would ever Survive in the Mass Market, But I Think One which Followed, and Rotated between Several Different Crews of Different Species... Possibly Even Different Time Periods, With Occasional Crossovers For Popular Crews, Would be Really Kewl, and Would Go a long way towards Keeping the Language alive...

[qoSagh]

hmmmm, like several groups of people all dealing with some unifying crisis. Think "All good things" but with different crews. Possibly different races in different time periods. Expensive to produce, but staggering.

[Kesvirit]

This thread holds mention of write-in campaigns and HMFJTP. As long as there are fans thinking, writing, and doing, Trek and Klindom will never die so long as they are kept alive in our minds and deeds.

Until rumors of the promised feature film are realized, the only way the commercial Trekiverse continues to develop is in the Paraborg sponsored-and-written *books*. There continues to be a high demand and a strong market for these, with a few new novels coming out every month in all manner of series and storylines.

There is also a vibrant subculture of fan authors who post their work on the net. See the third post in the Left Hand of Destiny thread for ways of finding it.

Unfortunately, both are a constant reminder that Sturgeon was an optimist.* I recommend browsing through the Classics of Klingon Literature for good places to start.

(And if you find any good fanfic to recommend, please post a link there!)

-=- Kesvirit


*Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is cr@p.