qoSagh finally got me to register

[q'Rhahk]

Ah well greetings all.  I am qoSagh's elder brother and the real originator of the order.  If you refer back to his introductory thread, you will get a taste of why I started the qaptaQ.  Somehow I missed the bit about the “Devil People”, yet I did not miss most of the crap that was going on in fandom at the time.

I don't recall how qoSagh found his way into Klingdom but following his first con' he invited me to his second.  That experience pretty much set the stage for the MAOKQ.  At the time, there were about nine separate Klin groups in the NYC area and they had no real overall organization apart from something called Karizan which was more a poor excuse to bicker at each other than a real alliance.  I remember how at my first con'  qoSagh pointed some Klin fan out to me from across the room and told me that we don't talk to her on the grounds that she was a “water buffalo in spandex” (she later became an associate member to our order).

Another thing that I recall was the persistent intrusion of various marginal religions into the fan community.  Every time another club would arrive at a con', they would add the various elements of their pagan altar to the communal altar.  Whenever this happened, someone would call out “It is changing again”.

Well, I know crap when I see it and I decided that I was not interested in crap beyond the possibility of some good role play.  So as soon as I figured out who the current leaders were, I immediately took my seat among them and announced the fact that I happened to be the only real Klingon in the room.  They were all to bow before me as the crap that they were engaging in made them subservient to the true order of Klingon society.  

If memory serves, the only material we had at the time to work from was the bit in the first season of next gen where the “old school” Klingons performed the “death howl”.  So that became the basis for what I was doing.  There are real Klingons and next gen Klingons and I represented the pure line of Klingon thought.  Everyone who was not part of the qaptaQ was less than pure and not even deserving of my contempt.

In due time, everyone in the area joined the party to some extent as the only thing that exceeded my arrogance was the coolness factor of real Klingons.  Of course I did allow them to retain the old clubs but only to the extent that they were formed out of original friendships.  The NYC area was my sandbox and I had the only shovel.

I suppose that I could ramble for a few more pages but I think that this is enough for the time being...
 

[Klythe]

I don't recall how qoSagh found his way into Klingdom but following his first con' he invited me to his second.

    Perhaps he would be willing to share that story.   qoSagh, speak!

    Nine seperate groups...  I can't imagine what that would be like to have that much local interest in Klindom.

I remember how at my first con' qoSagh pointed some Klin fan out to me from across the room and told me that we don't talk to her on the grounds that she was a “water buffalo in spandex” (she later became an associate member to our order).

     Presumably, the comment was refering to her strength of personality, her formidible nature or prowress with horns and not a cheap remark about her body shape?    You wouldn't deign to lower yourself to such an obvious attack on someone who is not present to speak for themselves.  That is not the mark of an honorable warrior, and if you are qoSagh's elder brother, you should be at least as honorable.

If memory serves, the only material we had at the time to work from was the bit in the first season of next gen where the “old school” Klingons performed the “death howl”. So that became the basis for what I was doing.

    We will have to discuss what old school Klingons are.   For now, I will say that I do not think anything in TNG is "old school" Klingon.   It is definately not what I think of when I use the term.  I use it to describe TOS, TAS, novels and Klingon Fandom as it was before TNG.   You can use that meaning, just be aware that other Klingons here have thier own ideas and that you will need to explain in order to be clear what you meant.

There are real Klingons and next gen Klingons and I represented the pure line of Klingon thought. Everyone who was not part of the qaptaQ was less than pure and not even deserving of my contempt.

     Pure?  You are far more arrogant than I am...  I merely think my Klingon model is better than the others I've encountered over the years.   I am not cocky enough to believe my thinking is pure Klingon, devoid of any impurities and personal biases.  You are opening yourself up for challenge after challenge, until someone finds a way to out-klingon your thought.  Then your thoughts will be discredited because you claimed they were so pure and clearly true that others who disagreed were to be treated in such ways.  

    I like you, brother of qoSagh.  I will give you one chance to reconsider before I collapse the warp bubble of your arrogance and stomp your 'pure line of Klingon thought' into the Kriosian mud.

[qoSagh]

I had thought I had posted my story of how I ended up in Klindom, but that is for another thread. As for the Water Buffalo, it was exactly a cheap remark about her body, thats the state of Klindom at the time. While some of the many groups were large and club like, a few were very small and were seperate only because their members wouldn't hang with any of the other Klingons. Since then some of the "other" Klingons have become some of my best friends in and out of fandom.

 

[Klythe]

*laughs*  Isn't it always family who dredge up the  mistakes of the past in front of strangers.   You both seem to realise it was a mistake, in the first place, and also repeating it as a detail of the story.   I am pleased you have learned to enjoy the company of the more independant-minded tlhInganmey* as well as the tlhInganpu'*.

    There is only one thread on the KIF where insults are allowed against non-ficticious persons, and that is the curse warfare thread where they are required.

    Anyway, welcome to KIF brother of qoSagh.  Nothing is better than an opinionated Klingon with when you want to have a lively discussion.

*  Translations for not Klingonists who may be reading.
tlhingonmey -literally Klingons scattered about the place, a good term for those Klingons outside of clubs.    tlhInganpu' is the normal plural form of 'Klingons'.   For more information on the distinction please check out the -pu' vs. -mey thread.

[Kesvirit]

It was also the state of qoSagh at the time. I hope he has since outgrown it.

I cannot fail to notice that the insult was issued from across the room, as opposed to face to face where his intended opponent could actually hear the challenge he issued. Such a maneuver (or lack thereof) smacks of immaturity and cowardice.

-=- Kesvirit

[qoSagh]

Across the room, out of earshot, and wispered while pointing. Little did we know at the time, but VERY un-Klingon. Of course the insult was hurled by someone who was in a club (and we joined it too) who's leader believed himself to be a GOD. He actually took the name K'thor and claimed to be the ancient Klingon Thunder God. I just saw that he is making convention appearances under a slightly different name, so it must have worked for him. As I was writing this I realized how uncreative that name was. I wonder if that influenced my opinions on Klingon names? I hope not.