Question on klingon word part II

[Tedra_deArr]

actually I was looking for the word lover. I found in the dictionary the word bang, it seems there is no difference between male and female lover. So now my question, is there really no difference or was the online dictionary only not accurat?

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[Kesvirit]

I suspect that the online dictionary was accurrate but incomplete. Most are.

{bang} is a noun; whether it can take the {-wI'} suffix applied to verbs to change the meaning to "one who does" or "that which does" seems to be a gray area.

However, {-wI'} can also be applied to people (language users who take the {-pu'} plural) in the posessive. So you could use {bangwI'} in the sense of "my love".

I think the word you want for "lover" is {parmaqqay}, "romantic partner or romantic companion" (KGT). As to distinguishing whether that lover is male or female, one would have to combine the word {parmaqqay) with that for male {loD} or female {be'}:
{loDparmaqqay} male lover
{be'parmaqqay} female lover

I now look forward to the inevitable battle over my construction. I welcome all comers.

-=- Kesvirit

[ngabwI]

As to distinguishing whether that lover is male or female, one would have to combine the word {parmaqqay) with that for male {loD} or female {be'}:
{loDparmaqqay} male lover
{be'parmaqqay} female lover

{tlhIngan Hol} does not make this distinction WRT {parmaqqay}.
{loD  parmaqqay} means "man's romantic partner" and {be' parmaqqay} means "woman's romantic partner". It says nothing specific about the sex of the romantic partner.

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[Kesvirit]

In English, male and female are adjectives; man and woman are nouns.  TKD lumps both parts of speech as nouns. In 3.2.1, "Compund nouns consist of two or three nouns in a row... jolpa' transport room consists of jol transport beam plus pa' room."  Thus compund nouns are read left to right.

TKD 4.4 defines adjective equivalents as [noun, verb], with the verb describing the noun. In this way are things described as read right to left. When you write:

{loD parmaqqay} means "man's romantic partner" and {be' parmaqqay} means "woman's romantic partner". It says nothing specific about the sex of the romantic partner.

,are using the English designations (adjectives) of male and female instead of the nouns specified in TKD?
E.g., {loD parmaqqay} = "romantic partner of a man" or "man's romantic partner?

If {parmaqqay} cannot be used to distinguish the gender of the lover, is there a way to do it with {bang}? Canon is no object; I am trying to get to concepts.

-=- Kesvirit, who has been thinking about this way too long

[SoplaHtaHwI']

I think, if you want to distinguish between a male romantic partner or a female romantic partner, you would need to add an extra {loD} or {be'}...

{loD parmaqqay loD} or something similar.

This, ofcourse, is speculation

If {parmaqqay} cannot be used to distinguish the gender of the lover, is there a way to do it with {bang}? Canon is no object; I am trying to get to concepts.

You might probably have something there...
It would then have to be {bangwI'} and/or {bangwI'be'}, although the last one translates to One who loves not or maybe One who loves, female...
We are stuck with -be' for female until someone comes up with a specific words for male lover/female lover.

Personally I think it should not matter. A lover is a lover, male <-> male, female <-> female or indeed male <-> female.

Considering most of tlhIngan Hol is strictly not canon, I think we're fine...

[Tedra_deArr]

Personally I think it should not matter. A lover is a lover, male <-> male, female <-> female or indeed male <-> female.

IMHO there you go strictly from the english where the gender is just kown from the context, but most of the other languages devide strictly between male and female lover.

Tedra  

[SoplaHtaHwI']

Personally I think it should not matter. A lover is a lover, male <-> male, female <-> female or indeed male <-> female.

IMHO there you go strictly from the english where the gender is just kown from the context, but most of the other languages devide strictly between male and female lover.

I might very well be. I was however going on my understanding of Klingons, where it doesn't matter who fights, as long as there is a fight. I would like to think that the type of combatant does not matter in either physical or mental fight.

[qoSagh]

I agree with the idea of who is fighting not mattering to the fight. I think in the case of lovers possesion or relationship would be more important to Klingons than gender. Without getting too political, the gender might very well be implied either by the speaker of by the context. What would be more important would be who's lover is the subject, my lover your lover our lover. If the speaker is known to you the gender would probably be implied. In some situations the rest of the sentance would define gender, like if you tried to translate the phrase "My lover asked me to marry them yesterday." Since the verb(s) for to marry is gender specific, this would generally define the gender. Of course that sentance would have also most likely used him or her and not them, but I needed to do that to make the point.

[qab]

Oh, and to answer the gender question:

parmaqqaywI' ghaH loD'e'
bangwI' ghaH loD'e'
My lover is male

parmaqqaywI' ghaH be''e'
bangwI' ghaH be''e'
My lover is female

There is no adjective male/female in Klingon.