Hello!

[ramonsnir]

Hello everyone!

I received The Klingon Dictionary about two weeks ago, and did my best to learn Klingon from it. Afterwards, I got a copy of Klingon for the Galactic Traveler and wrote two small programs: one is a bidirectional dictionary using words from TKD, KGT and the extra list from KLI; second receives a Klingon word and breaks it into stem, prefix and suffices (also breaks numbers).

I thought it is time that I start practicing more the syntax and look at things you do here (texts posted, questions asked etc.)

[Kesvirit]

Greetings and welcome, ramonsnir! It sounds like the one has been busy indeed getting acquainted with ta’ Hol*. TKD makes for a very poor textbook, and I am always looking to add to the sites and resources list posted here to supplement it and make it easier for others to learn thlIngan Hol*. Do you have your dictionary and word deconstructor posted online in a working format? Unfortunately the Forum software does not allow for the hosting of such things, but I would very much like to see your creations, and I think you will find eager beta-testers here.

As you are new to both ta’ Hol and these Forums, I should caution you that while we have several accomplished Klingonists amongst the rabble }}; ) , some are more dogmatic than others when it comes to derivation from canon. Do not let them discourage you. As I wrote above in my unsolicited, less-than-humble opinion (have you ever known a Klingon to have a humble one?), it is very difficult to gain a working knowledge of thlIngan Hol using TKD alone. The more differing approaches and tools a student has to work from, the more likely they will be to succeed at the language that will succeed FedStandard as the galaxy’s dominant tongue.

-=- Kesvirit


* the current dominant Klingon dialect, and the one that most non-native speakers encounter

[ramonsnir]

Because of the way they are designed, I don't see how I can upload them, but I'll try to find a free host and upload them as web applications.

[QoghtlhIH'u']

ramonsnir, my advice to you: start writing a short, very short story for practice. And post it here.
And try reading and understanding existing texts. As far as I know the longest text written in Klingon about Klingons is by ter'eS

http://teresh.tdonnelly.org/tlhorpuq.html

The Story of Klorax's Sons

It is fun and instructive.

[ramonsnir]

yay! (both in English and Klingon!)

Well, I didn't find a free ASP.NET host, so here it is on my personal web server. Until I find a better host, it'll be there. A bit slow and only ~60% up-time - but better than nothing.
http://ramons.no-ip.info/ or http://ramons.dyndns.org/

I remind you that it was designed for my comfort, so I'm sorry if something isn't clear. Any feedback is welcome, especially if I have mistakes in the vocabulary (it comes form various sources, some weren't well formatted).

Try analysing jIjatlhbe'pu'ghachpu'wI' (meaningless, but analysable)

[qurgh_]

Try analysing jIjatlhbe'pu'ghachpu'wI' (meaningless, but analysable)

It means:

my "I-completed-not-speaking"nesses

Although it's ungrammatical because you only use -pu' on nouns that are capable of speech. Same goes for -wI', it should be -wIj. No words with -ghach on them are capable of speech as they are nouns representing abstract concepts and not actual objects. So it should be:

jIjatlhbe'pu'ghachmeywIj - my "I-completed-not-speaking"nesses

although I see no use for this word, it's like saying: my bubblefishysittingnesses. It's just random bits stuffed together. It may also be ungrammatical to use prefixes on verbs with -ghach. We have no canon examples of it and I've yet to come across a situation where it would work.

You should also check out my web based Klingon dictionary (http://hol.kag.org). It has a complete* dictionary and will break down Klingon sentences: http://hol.kag.org/?words=tlhIngan+Hol+DajatlhlaHchu''a'

*I might be missing one or two, but to the best of my knowledge is has all the words.

[ramonsnir]

I know the word is wrong, I just took a random verb and prepended a prefix and appended few suffices.

I didn't know about hol.kaq.org . Really nice

By the way, I added sentence analysing (it doesn't really analyse sentences, so I called it "batch word analyser").

[QoghtlhIH'u']

A Klingon analyzer already exists and is made by d'Armond Speers
http://higbee.cots.net/Holtej//klingon/poj.htm

I have used that version before and it really worked. Now, however, my virus scanner delets it as a Trojan.
I still use an older version, 1.7 , released in 1996. It works with prefixes and suffixes.

The webpages are out of date but the pojwi I have still works fine.