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El Payaso Malo
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« on: 09 20, 2010, 05:09: AM »

When a title is used, what part of speech is it? Is it treated as an adjectival verb? Is the entire construction of name and title, such as qor jaw ("Lord Kor"), treated as one noun?
For example, which is correct:
martaqmo' Sa' or martaq Sa'mo'
"because of General Martok"
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-ngoQ ghajnISbe' vIq. vIq ngoQ 'oH vIq. qatlh ngej rop'a' bIghelbe' 'ej qatlh meQ yotlh bIghelbe'. jISuvDI' meqwIj vIQIj 'e' DaghelQo'.
-qul ngaDHa' 'oH QeHwIj 'ej vaHbo' pubbogh 'Iw 'oH QeHwIj. choHIvmo' qaSuvbe'. bIyIntaHmo' qaSuv.
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« Reply #1 on: 09 20, 2010, 11:02: AM »

Good question.

The quote from the dictionary on names is:
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Names may be used in direct address (that is, calling
somebody by name) at the beginning or end of the sentence.
Other words in direct address (such as qaH sir, joHwl' my
lord) are used similarly.

I would probably reword the phrase to avoid what you're doing:

ba'mo' martaq Sa'.. - Because General Martok sat...

I wonder if something can be "due to a person", normally, at least in English, because/due to only works with a noun that describes an action or a verb itself:

QaghmeyqoqlIjmo' mej - Because of your so-called errors, he left

If I was saying, he left because Matok was present:

naDev ghaHmo' martoq Sa''e' mej - Because General Martok was here, he left

So my question would be, is there more context? What is the full concept you're trying to translate.

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« Reply #2 on: 09 20, 2010, 12:20: PM »

It was a general inquiry, and I figured the placement of the type 5 noun suffix would certainly be helpful and solve the problem.

In naDev ghaHmo' martoq Sa''e' mej, you seem to indicate type 5 noun suffixes go on the title, yes?
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-ngoQ ghajnISbe' vIq. vIq ngoQ 'oH vIq. qatlh ngej rop'a' bIghelbe' 'ej qatlh meQ yotlh bIghelbe'. jISuvDI' meqwIj vIQIj 'e' DaghelQo'.
-qul ngaDHa' 'oH QeHwIj 'ej vaHbo' pubbogh 'Iw 'oH QeHwIj. choHIvmo' qaSuvbe'. bIyIntaHmo' qaSuv.
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« Reply #3 on: 09 20, 2010, 12:40: PM »

It was a general inquiry, and I figured the placement of the type 5 noun suffix would certainly be helpful and solve the problem.

In naDev ghaHmo' martoq Sa''e' mej, you seem to indicate type 5 noun suffixes go on the title, yes?

As far as I know, the type 5 suffix goes on the end of a noun phrase. So:

bIQDep tIn Sojmo' - Because of the big fish's food

What problem are you trying to solve?
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« Reply #4 on: 09 25, 2010, 04:43: PM »

I believe I have solved it. Thanks. Smiley
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-qul ngaDHa' 'oH QeHwIj 'ej vaHbo' pubbogh 'Iw 'oH QeHwIj. choHIvmo' qaSuvbe'. bIyIntaHmo' qaSuv.
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