Assorted Questions

[El Payaso Malo]

My oldest living ancestor died last night at about 22:58, November 24. We we were on our way to see her. She would have been 88 had she lived to December 5. She lived a long life and is no longer in pain. I wish that I had been able to spend more time with her. I don't mean to bring anyone down with this, I just wanted to say it somewhere.

That being said, my way to cope with grief is through study. Right now, that study is the Klingon language. So I'll ask some assorted questions that have been troubling me.

Does DeSqIv ever refer to an actual body part? Is there a word for a horn that grows on an animal? How would one express the concept of great grandparent? Would qoqpu' be an accurate description of Data and Lore (considering that both are robots and that both are capable of language)? I heard that the SkyBox cards expressed years in this manner: wa'HutHutloS (1994). Is that how one would express Earth years in the Warrior's Tongue?

[Qunchuy]

Does DeSqIv ever refer to an actual body part?

DeSqIv means elbow. It looks like literally DeS qIv arm's knee.

Would qoqpu' be an accurate description of Data and Lore (considering that both are robots and that both are capable of language)?

Data once corrected someone who called him a robot, explaining that he was actually an android. I wouldn't use qoq to refer to him, though I'm not sure what word or phrase I would use right now.

I heard that the SkyBox cards expressed years in this manner: wa'HutHutloS (1994). Is that how one would express Earth years in the Warrior's Tongue?

The copyright year 1994 was rendered as tera' DIS wa'-Hut-Hut-loS. The numbers are separate, not run together. It comes out as "Earth year 1 9 9 4", seeming to be more of a simple label than an actual count of how many years have occurred.

[El Payaso Malo]

DeSqIv means elbow. It looks like literally DeS qIv arm's knee.

I understand, but I was told that this word was used to refer to a pot handle, and it was implied that this was its only usage. That was why I bothered asking if it ever refers to a body part or if its usage is confined to cookware.

Data once corrected someone who called him a robot, explaining that he was actually an android. I wouldn't use qoq to refer to him, though I'm not sure what word or phrase I would use right now.

Wow, I actually remember that conversation! However, the definition of android is "a robot or synthetic organism designed to look and act like a human." I assumed that perhaps it was his preferred nomenclature ("I'm not 'Black', I'm 'African-American!'). Maybe qoq isn't the best word. Perhaps qoqqoq (so-called robot)? We're both lost on this one, it seems.

The copyright year 1994 was rendered as tera' DIS wa'-Hut-Hut-loS. The numbers are separate, not run together. It comes out as "Earth year 1 9 9 4", seeming to be more of a simple label than an actual count of how many years have occurred.

I see. But is this convention Okrandian canon, or should I use tera' DIS wa'SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH loS?

[ter'eS]

The copyright year 1994 was rendered as tera' DIS wa'-Hut-Hut-loS. The numbers are separate, not run together. It comes out as "Earth year 1 9 9 4", seeming to be more of a simple label than an actual count of how many years have occurred.

I see. But is this convention Okrandian canon, or should I use tera' DIS wa'SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH loS?

This comes from a series of Skybox trading cards for which Okrand provided the text, so, yes, it's canon.

[El Payaso Malo]

This comes from a series of Skybox trading cards for which Okrand provided the text, so, yes, it's canon.

That's what I figured. So now I can express specific years. Thanks!

[QoghtlhIH'u']

and centuries:

Skybox card S15
tlhIngan may´Duj , qItI´nga´
Klingon Battlecruiser K´Tinga Class

...... vatlh DIS poH cha´maH loS
......24th century

[El Payaso Malo]

I was told that bang only refers to a person. A friend of mine told me to look at The Klingon Way page 159 of an example of bang being used to refer to love as a concept. I'm skeptical, so could someone with this book let me know what the context of this sentence she suggested is?: reH bang larghlu'.

Thanks.

[ter'eS]

I was told that bang only refers to a person. A friend of mine told me to look at The Klingon Way page 159 of an example of bang being used to refer to love as a concept. I'm skeptical, so could someone with this book let me know what the context of this sentence she suggested is?: reH bang larghlu'.

Thanks.

I always took this to mean The beloved one is smelled.  The image is almost like a predator smelling the prey; the image suffers, to me, if the "prey" isn't an actual person.

[El Payaso Malo]

By the image as described, it could go either way to me. I'll tell her she will have to try harder, and her "Love is always smelled" is not good enough. The only context is an image? I figured there would an English translation. Thank you. I am in the process of ordering this and the other book. Then I won't need to ask "What's it say on *page number* of *book*?" 

[QoghtlhIH'u']

In The Klingon Way there is an explanation which is just (I don't have the copy with me right now) that smelling someone is the start of falling in love (with Terrans it is usually by seeing someone).

The problem is that the proverb is indeed "Love is always smelled" but bang really means loved one not the more abstract concept of love, which is contradictory to the English rendering of the Klingon proverb.

TKD translates bang as love, loved one (noun), which is a bit inconclusive.

And KGT goes into detail about bang pong (lovers name) the name one uses when one is alone with his/her lover. This is one of the funnier parts of KGT.

[El Payaso Malo]

Is bang strictly a romantic term? I had thought that parmaq and parmaqqay were the words that dealt specifically with romance and that bang was an all purpose term for a loved one (like a brother, daughter, husband, close friend; ex cetera). Now it seems that bang and parmaqqay are basically synonyms.

[QoghtlhIH'u']

....Now it seems that bang and parmaqqay are basically synonyms.

It is confusing, but judging from what KGT says parmaqqay stresses the emotional and passionate aspects of love.
To me parmaqqay sounds Spanish, just like qaryoq'a' carioca