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jiqeq
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01 10, 2009, 01:58: PM »
nuqneH
jIqeq tlhIngan Hol naDev
Qatlh
SuyoH
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Re: jiqeq
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01 14, 2009, 04:27: PM »
qajatlh
tlhIngan Hol vIqeq vIneH je'
Qatlhbej tlhIngan Hol
qeqlu'nIS
jIQaghchugh, QaghwIj HIQIj
DIvI' Hol Doych Hol je' vIghajlaH
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Re: jiqeq
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01 15, 2009, 07:57: AM »
Quote from: tlhoy' chenmoHwI' on 01 14, 2009, 04:27: PM
qajatlh
tlhIngan Hol vIqeq vIneH je'
Qatlhbej tlhIngan Hol
qeqlu'nIS
jIQaghchugh, QaghwIj HIQIj
DIvI' Hol Doych Hol je' vIghajlaH
maj! Hoch DaghItlhbogh vIyajlaHchu'.
Two minor points:
-lu'
is a Type 5 verb suffix and
-nIS
is Type 2, so it comes first:
qeqnISlu'
Also, we usually say we
speak
a language, as in
tlhIngan Hol DajatlhlaH'a'?
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Re: jiqeq
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01 15, 2009, 10:27: AM »
qatlh « nuqneH » Daghel . naDev jIvegh neH .
OOC:
To
OmnificienT
: It is common around here to start conversations with
nuqneH
, and I can see why; Humans in many cultures
need
to say something like "Hello!" or "Good day to you!" when addressing somebody, because it's what we're used to, and because we think not doing so would be rude. However, conversation in
tlhIngan Hol
are seldom polite; most pleasantries are considered to be superfluous. As you are the one starting this conversation, I would recommend you simply state your business, although doing so may feel awkward. Unless of course your question is "What the heck are you doing in my thread!?"
Also, your word order is a bit off.
jIqeq tlhIngan Hol naDev
reads roughly "I study. Klingon. Here." This is first of all because Klingon uses Object-Verb-Subject word order, so "I practice Klingon." becomes more like "Klingon practice I." Now, you have used a verb prefix to denote the subject (
jI
-, "I am the subject"), which is good, but you need one that says "I am the subject. He/She/It is the object.", because you are referring to
tlhIngan Hol
in the third person. The verb prefix that accomplishes this is
vI
-, so "I practice Klingon." becomes
tlhIngan Hol vIqeq
.
Also, although I don't think it's explicitly stated as a rule in
The Klingon Dictionary
, it seems location precedes the Object-Verb-Subject construction in all official examples, so I'd recommend moving
naDev
to the beginning of the sentence;
naDev tlhIngan Hol vIqeq
tlhIngan Hol
is not the easiest language to learn, but hang in there and I'm sure you'll get the hang of it!
Also, a note to
tlhoy' chenmoHwI'
: Be careful with
je
and
je'
;
je
means roughly
and
or
also
, whereas
je'
means
to buy
or
to feed
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Re: jiqeq
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01 15, 2009, 10:38: AM »
Satlho'
"vIghajlaH" vIghItlhpu' 'ach "vIyajlaH" VighItlh vIneHpu'.
not tlhIngan Hol DaQoypu'. naDev puSbej tlhInganpu'. vaj tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHchugh jISovbe'
vIqeqnIStaH
HIjatlhtaH
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Re: jiqeq
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01 15, 2009, 02:14: PM »
tuQaH'a'
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jIQaghchugh, QaghwIj HIQIj
DIvI' Hol Doych Hol je' vIghajlaH
vIyajbe'
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Re: jiqeq
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01 15, 2009, 02:15: PM »
Quote from: tlhoy' chenmoHwI' on 01 15, 2009, 10:38: AM
Satlho'
"vIghajlaH" vIghItlhpu' 'ach "vIyajlaH" VighItlh vIneHpu'.
maj.
Quote
not tlhIngan Hol DaQoypu'.
I actually have heard Klingon spoken in real time. If you get the movie
Earthlings
, you can, too.
But more to the point, Klingon doesn't really have a generic "you" equivalent to "(some)one" as you've used the prefix above.
not tlhIngan Hol DaQoypu'
literally states that I (ter'eS) have never heard Klingon, which we now know is not true. This is another job for the suffix
-lu'
:
not tlhIngan Hol Qoylu'
"one never hears Klingon/ Klingon is never heard."
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Re: jiqeq
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01 15, 2009, 04:08: PM »
jIQaghqa'chu'pu'
vIlo'be'pu' moHaq luch
luch "not tlhIngan Hol vIQoypu'"
"Earthlings" vItu'bej
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Re: jiqeq
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Quote from: OmnificienT on 01 15, 2009, 02:14: PM
tuQaH'a'
Quote
jIQaghchugh, QaghwIj HIQIj
DIvI' Hol Doych Hol je' vIghajlaH
vIyajbe'
What I am trying to say is
"If I make a mistake, explain where I went wrong"
"I understand English and German" I made a mistake here in writing "ghaj" instead of "yaj"
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Re: jiqeq
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01 21, 2009, 04:20: AM »
Quote from: tlhoy' chenmoHwI' on 01 15, 2009, 04:08: PM
"Earthlings"
tera'nganpu'
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DIvI' Hol vIlo'pu' ter'es
"i will certainly find earthlings" vIghItlhqangbe'pu'
"I will certainly find Earthlings(the film)" vIghitlh vIneH
chay' mu'tlheghvam vIghItlh?
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ter'eS qajatlh
Hov leng Qo'noS tamey vIleghta'
vIleghtaHvIS jIHaghpu'
DalIngtaH'a'
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Quote from: tlhoy' chenmoHwI' on 01 21, 2009, 10:03: AM
DIvI' Hol vIlo'pu' ter'es
"i will certainly find earthlings" vIghItlhqangbe'pu'
"I will certainly find Earthlings(the film)" vIghitlh vIneH
chay' mu'tlheghvam vIghItlh?
jISovchu'be'. "movie" "film" ghap 'oS pagh tlhIngan mu'. chaq 'oS "HaSta much" (visual display presentation)? qechvetlh Dalajchugh, vaj "tera'nganpu' HaSta much vItu'bej" DaghItlhlaH.
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jISovchu'be'. "movie" "film" ghap 'oS pagh tlhIngan mu'. chaq 'oS "HaSta much" (visual display presentation)? qechvetlh Dalajchugh, vaj "tera'nganpu' HaSta much vItu'bej" DaghItlhlaH.
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qayajchu'
Hov leng Qo'noS tamey Hasta much DalIngtaH'a'
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Quote from: tlhoy' chenmoHwI' on 01 21, 2009, 12:18: PM
qayajchu'
Hov leng Qo'noS tamey Hasta much DalIngtaH'a'
chaq. DaH much vIgher, 'ach tlhIngan much 'oHbe' chaq 'e' DanoH: tlhIngan Hol vIlo'taHvIS, "Tradition" bom vImugh. ghaytan Qo'noS ghoS ter'angan muchwI' ghom 'ej "bebdaQ ba' yachwI'" lumuch, 'ej wanI'vetlh qon HaSta muchwIj.
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chaq. DaH much vIgher, 'ach tlhIngan much 'oHbe' chaq 'e' DanoH: tlhIngan Hol vIlo'taHvIS, "Tradition" bom vImugh. ghaytan Qo'noS ghoS ter'angan muchwI' ghom 'ej "bebdaQ ba' yachwI'" lumuch, 'ej wanI'vetlh qon HaSta muchwIj.
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Perhaps. I am compiling a presentation but perhaps not a Klingon presentation as you would judge it.Whilst I use tlhIngan Hol, I translate the song”Tradition”. It is likely that an Earthling presenter will go to Kronos and present “cat on a hot tin roof”.
And my film will record this event.
QInlIjvad mugh luch bIH'a' mu'tlheghmeyvam?
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Quote from: tlhoy' chenmoHwI' on 01 22, 2009, 03:07: PM
QInlIjvad mugh luch bIH'a' mu'tlheghmeyvam?
HIja'. batlh DalaD
. Except that the play they are presenting is "Fiddler on the Roof". Since Klingons apparently don't have bowed instruments, I went with
yach
'to strum', instead (the other would be
baS beb tujDaq ba' vIghro'
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HIja'. batlh DalaD
. Except that the play they are presenting is "Fiddler on the Roof". Since Klingons apparently don't have bowed instruments, I went with
yach
'to strum', instead (the other would be
baS beb tujDaq ba' vIghro'
!).
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Quote from: OmnificienT on 01 10, 2009, 01:58: PM
nuqneH
jIqeq tlhIngan Hol naDev
Qatlh
SuyoH
People say not to start a conversation with nuqneH. I start sentences by introducing myself. You could say, "Omnificien jIH" and that would be like, "I am Omnificien". But maybe you already knew that
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