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« on: 07 16, 2002, 02:55: PM »

I have a list of Klingon plant and animal life knocking around at home somewhere. When I come back from the Klingon Year Games I will be sure to post them to this forum so people can see them all.


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« Reply #1 on: 07 17, 2002, 02:25: AM »

Yeeee-haa! More stuff for me to argue about! When will you be back from the Year Games? I'm blowing town towards the end of the month and will be machineless for a while.

The upside: I got comped for the Edinburgh Tattoo, where I'm hoping to be recruited for mirror duty. Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: 07 22, 2002, 02:00: AM »

I'm back now, but I can't find the lists, so I'll have to pull them out of my Klingon Language database.

All the names I have are ones that Okrand has created. Most of them come from Klingon for the galatic traveller. So if you have a copy, you have most likely already seen them.



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« Reply #3 on: 07 23, 2002, 01:01: AM »

Thanks for checking. I have Klingon for the Galactic Traveler and tried looking up the terms therein online. Unfortunately so far everything I've found has either refered to a part of an animal used in food or to a throwaway line from TNG. I keep finding the same overly-brief and nearly-identical definitions. Frustrating, because I keep trying to find more material with which to flesh various life forms (you know, the ones who don't walk upright and get speaking parts). I also figure there's got to be more out there than what's been canonized by Okrand. ("Dammit, Jim, I'm a linguist, not a xenobiologist!") One man does not the Empire make.

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« Reply #4 on: 07 23, 2002, 03:33: AM »

My List of animals that I just pulled from my database is as follows:

po' Ha'DIbaH | | morning animal; used to refer to a 'uSgheb;
jajlo' Qa' | | animal; dawn Qa';makes a fuss in the morning
tangqa' | | animal species with both genders resembling a Terren bull
'IghvaH | | type of animal; #igvah#;
'er | | type of animal
vIghro' | | type of animal; #v'gro# (like a cat);
to'baj | | type of animal; #tobbaj#;
toqvIr lung | | type of animal; Tokvarian skink;
toppa' | | type of animal; #topah#;
tI'qa' vIghro' | | type of animal; #tika# cat;
tIqnagh | | type of animal; #tknag#;
teghbat | | type of animal; #teg'bat#;
Suy' | | type of animal; #shooy#;
Qogh | | type of animal
Qa'raj | | type of animal
Qa'Hom | | type of animal (similar to a #Qa'#; but smaller);
Qa' | | type of animal
Qaj | | type of animal; #kradge#;
norgh | | type of animal; #norg# (sharklike sea creature);
mIl'oD | | type of animal; sabre bear;
lung | | type of animal; #loong# (lizardlike);
lIngta' | | type of animal; #lingta#;
chemvaH | | type of animal; #chemvah#;
boqrat | | type of animal; #bokrat#;
laq | | flap; flap wings;a bird laqmoH its wings
qaryop'a' | | bird; a mimicking bird;a larger version of the qaryop
qaryop | | bird; a mimicking bird;
vIlInHoD | | bird; a mimicking bird;
'uSgheb | | bird; a noisy bird at dawn (like a rooster);
yatqap | | bird; a grey or white bird that travels particulary long distances without pausing;
waqbogh | | bird; a bird with a very long beak;
vem'eq | | bird; a bird that feeds almost exclusivly on the serpent worm from which qagh is made (Klings don't like 'em);
toQ | | bird; bird of prey;
raw' | | bird; an aquatic bird with colourful plumage;
qanraD | | bird; another bird known for its song;
parbIng | | bird; a mid-sized bird with particularly garish colouring;
qa'rol | | bird; a really big
notqa' | | bird; a large
lotlhmoq | | bird; a bird that swoops into water in orderbto catch food
lIr | | bird; a nocturnal bird;
Da'nal | | bird; small bird characterized by erratic unpredictable behaviour similar to a Da'vI';
Da'vI' | | bird; small bird characterized by erratic unpredictable behaviour similar to a Da'nal;
cha'qu' | | bird; a bird noted for its song;
cha'par | | bird; a bird noted for its song;
cha'naS | | bird; a small bird which digs up bugs to eat;
cha'Do' | | bird; Maltz wasn't sure what kind of bird this was
cha'bIp | | bird; a bird noted for its speed;
borghel | | bird; a very small bird whose eggs are considered quite tasty;
bo'Degh | | bird

Some of these are made up by Okrand, some are made up by Paramount and some come from other Authors. 

I hope this gives you a start.



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« Reply #5 on: 07 24, 2002, 01:35: PM »

Thank you so much for posting the list of animal names! Do you know if all of them are indigenous to the homeworld, or are found scattered throughout the Empire?

Also, you said that some were made up by other authors -- do you mean from the line of Pocket Books, or does this include stuff from fan-fic, zine illustrations, etc? (Call me a citatin' fool...)

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« Reply #6 on: 07 26, 2002, 02:56: PM »

I think a few of them come from pocket books novels.

I'm not sure on where these things live, athough I believe most are from Qo'noS. If you have the Star Trek Klingon CD-ROM game, they mention that the tIqnagh is from that planet, although I don't remeber the planet name.

All the birds are from Qo'noS, according to Maltz.



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« Reply #7 on: 07 26, 2002, 04:09: PM »

*sigh* I was afraid of that. I haven't read many of the Pockets in the last ten years or so because they've gotten to be so, well... bad, written by a committee that never meets and cranked out on an assembly line. I've pulled some from the Pocket/Ballantine books over the years, but as they are pre-Okrand/Berman they will remain forever uncanonized.

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I'm not sure on where these things live, athough I believe most are from Qo'noS. If you have the Star Trek Klingon CD-ROM game, they mention that the tIqnagh is from that planet, although I don't remeber the planet name.

I don't have any of the games, but with a critter name and a source name I can try cross-referencing.
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« Reply #8 on: 07 27, 2002, 03:58: AM »

Much to my surprise, I found it with ease at Common Animals of Qo'nos and Other Worlds: Tknag (tIqnagh) - A thick skinned, predatory animal native to Taganika. Often hunted in the chontay, or ritual hunt. Its hooves are a delicacy.

Sounds like pickled pigs feet.

(You have no idea how pleased with myself I am over having found this reference. I need to get out more... :-P)

I also found one on a TNG-> on list at http://www.geocities.com/xprezez/mughom5.html: Se'taraq ? n S'tarahk (hairless Klingon horse) 
Are you familiar with this one? It didn't give a source.

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« Reply #9 on: 07 28, 2002, 02:51: PM »

Heh, I didn't, but that is where Dr. Okrand gets all this information (in the fictional trek world). All the birds came from Maltz in that sense.



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« Reply #10 on: 07 29, 2002, 04:19: AM »

qurgh wrote: All the birds are from Qo'noS, according to Maltz.

Kesvirit wrote: I'm not even going to ask how you met Maltz.

qurgh wrote: Heh, I didn't, but that is where Dr. Okrand gets all this information (in the fictional trek world). All the birds came from Maltz in that sense.

So... Does this mean that Okrand and Maltz are the same person, or that Maltz lays eggs? Is this some Hollywood thing, or shall I get out the DSM III-R? Though I guess the two aren't exactly mutually exclusive.

In fact... :-P

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« Reply #11 on: 07 31, 2002, 07:01: PM »

Hehehe. No Okrand and Maltz are different people.

If you suspend belief for a moment I'll explain.

Dr. Okrand is a Federation Scientist and head of the Klingon Language branch of some big Feddie university. When Maltz was captured by Kirk in Star Trek III he was assumed to be brought back to Vulcan. He would have then been locked up and the key thrown away. When Dr. Okrand was asked by the Federation Council to produce material on the Klingon Language he went to the only natural speaker in the Federation at the time (remember the orginal Dictionary came out after Star Trek III). Maltz!

So Okrand was taught Klingon by Maltz. He wrote it down and release his pulimingany (sp?) findings in the Klingon Dictionary. When ever he talks to Maltz he tries to get new words out of him. His lastest work, Klingon for the Galactic Traveller was an essay on Klingon based on more research that Okrand had done with Maltz.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. Wink Thats basically how the story goes.



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« Reply #12 on: 07 31, 2002, 10:36: PM »

So, what, you're telling me that someone as sharp as Dr. Tagore didn't pick up anything 40-odd years previously on his own "five year voyage"?  `:-/

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So, what, you're telling me that someone as sharp as Dr. Tagore didn't pick up anything 40-odd years previously on his own "five year voyage"?  `:-/

Who? I don't know who Dr. Tagore is, but the orginal Klingon dictionary is supposed to have been release somewhere between the timelines of Star Trek III and IV. Up until that point, very few people had an understanding of the Klingon Language outside of a  few scholars, and then it was only a basic understanding. It would make sense, since the Klingons and the Federation had been at war all the time, so they would have only heard small amounts of clipped Klingon, and not had a subject willing to explain his own language. The tatical value of an enemy not understanding your language is imense. Think Navajo during WW2.

What the h*ll is a gaffer anyway?



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« Reply #14 on: 08 06, 2002, 04:55: PM »

  *Laughs  a deep klingon laugh!*

   Qurgh, Kesvirit is talking about the best book written about Klingons,
"The Final Reflection" by John M. Ford.  As he aknowledges in his
proto-signiture, it's certainly considered uncanonical.  You really should
read this book, the information the KLI provides on it is negligible.

     Federation Ambassador Emil Tagore to the Klingon Empire spoke the old
Klingon language, klingonaase, and not tlhingan Hol.  It gives a much
better flavour of the Klingon Empire than even the best TNG episodes, and I
really love(d) Robert O'Reilly's performances as Gowron...

     The whole thing is silly, obviously Maltz couldn't have been the first
to share the warriors tongue with the Federation, because Archer is studies
it form the Vulcan database.  Hoshi is conversational even converstational
in Klingon in aided.  So as always, canon contradicts itself and we are
left wondering how to incorporate the stuff we like and explain away the
stuff that contradicts it.   This is where Okrand violates Paramount
canon(Paramount states that Maltz was not used as an informant).  Paramount
violates Okrand canon all the time, with words that are not compatible with
Okrand's orthography.

   It's a theatrical term for a particular type of stagehand... Let's see,
the grips are the ones that handle the scenery, the foley is the sound guy,
the gaffers...  From context I guess they handle the lighting! }}|-D. 
Anybody know about what the "Best Boy" does?
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« Reply #15 on: 08 14, 2002, 12:23: PM »

I've read the Final reflection, it's just been a while and I'm not good
with names which is why I don't remember the Dr.

As for Klingonaase, the KLI aknowledges it, but it's not a language. It's
just words Ford created to add flair to his story. I've spoken to him
personally on the topic, and he even says it's not a language and he never
intends to make it a language. In How much for just the planet he even used
tlhIngan Hol and Klingonaase as if it were one language.

As for paramount, they haven't been Hol canon since the movies that Okrand
worked on were made.

I'm not even going to go into the Enterprise thing. It's breaks contiunity
all the time, so canon basically goes out the window.

As for Maltz, Paramount must have supported it at some time, because it's
actually in one of his books, and Paramount OK it. tlhIngan Hol canon comes
from anything that Okrand has put down in print, helped with or has said
publicaly in front of a group (ie TKD, TKW, KGT, Skybox cards, Star Trek:
Klingon (cd-rom), CK, PK, BOP poster and HolQeD). Trek canon is simply what
has been shown in the show, anything said outside that doesn't count
(unfortunatly).

Well, the "Best Boy" is prolly the guy that "helps" the director or
producer do something....



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« Reply #16 on: 09 01, 2002, 02:24: AM »

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...the orginal Klingon dictionary is supposed to have been release somewhere between the timelines of Star Trek III and IV. Up until that point, very few people had an understanding of the Klingon Language outside of a few scholars, and then it was only a basic understanding. It would make sense, since the Klingons and the Federation had been at war all the time, so they would have only heard small amounts of clipped Klingon, and not had a subject willing to explain his own language.

What, you think that the only instances Klingons and Federates met each
other was in battle? What about traders? Or arms dealers? You don't think
that Starfleet Intelligence had key informants and operations going on in
the Orion colonies or the Triangle or either of the Neutral zones? Or
captured ships and technology from which to decode? In TFR it mentions that
a few of the Enterprise crew had grown up on Klingon adjacent worlds and
had a working knowlege of the -aase. *sigh* Linguistic barriers got
nothin' on paradigm barriers.


(Brazenly straying off-topic) Yes, "gaffer" is sort of a generic show-biz
term for anyone who works in or specializes in lighting. In terms of
technology and vocab film sprang from stage and stage sprang from sailing,
though obviously each has evolved in its own direction. "Gaffer" is used
primarily in film while the lighting people in stage are usually just known
as "the lighting people" (in polite company, anyway.)

I haven't done any film, just stage and a format known as "rock and roll",
which isn't always. The organizational chart consists of a lot of dotted
lines, but depending on the size and complexity of the production the
lighting aspect runs something like:
     Artistic Director
     Lighting Designer
     (Lighting Director)
     Master Electrician
     Best Boy (M.E.'s chief asst)
     Crew (rest of the lighting crew). Anyone from either of the L.D.
designations on down may also be referred to as "squints" or "blinkies",
and anyone working in electrics risks being called "Sparky" (something I
always hated).

A Foley editor is a particular kind of sound tech, one who integrates all
of the recorded material for a soundtrack and (I believe) attaches it to
the master reel/tape. In stage the sound people are usually just known as
"the sound people".

The ones who help the director do stuff are usually known as the Asst.
Director (1st A. D., 2nd A.D., on down the line). Those who help the
producer are sometimes credited with Asst. Producer (same deal) but more
often as Personal Assistants with specialized duties (wipe that smug grin
off your face). It varies with the production company and TIIC.

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« Reply #17 on: 09 18, 2002, 02:09: AM »

Ahh... so now I know.

And I've always wondered what a Best Boy was... and why there wasn't a Best Girl.

As for the language, I think that discussion should be taken over to the language forum and not here anymore.



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« Reply #18 on: 10 08, 2002, 11:34: PM »

   I don't think any of them come from pocket books, none that I've read
anyway.   There were several from Pawns and Symbols, at least one from
Faces of Fire none of these animals are on the list.  I can compile a list
of those animals to add to your list if you like.
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« Reply #19 on: 10 20, 2002, 10:42: AM »

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I don't think any of them come from pocket books, none that I've read anyway. There were several from Pawns and Symbols, at least one from Faces of Fire none of these animals are on the list. I can compile a list of those animals to add to your list if you like.


I'm re-reading a bunch of Klingon-related novels in search of, among other things, clues about ecology from the Klingon worlds and words that might be related to the -aase. It's been a while since I've read P&S but it's next on the list. Thanks for the suggestion about FoF. I'll check it out.

I have this silly pipe dream about putting together a non-screen Klingon menagerie, but as the authors rarely if ever mention any sort of environmental origins and I can't draw it's going to have to remain a descriptive list at best.

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« Reply #20 on: 05 22, 2008, 12:05: AM »

    Well... With Spore comming out in the Fall...  You could model some very interesting animals in their creature editor.

    Actually Spore's creature editor is supposed to be out sometime this summer.  Their website says there will be a freely downloadbale demo representing about 25% of the full version...  And a full version for sale that will allow you to make creatures that you can use in the Full version of Spore when it is released.

    Maybe we should have some contests and post creatures to the forums for showing off...   I much look forward to seeing what we come up with...

    Oh, and back to an old off-topic tangent... Theatrical and movie jobtitles... The best one for a Klingon to have, is one I had for my highschool drama class...  "Boom Operator"  Cheesy Klingon Grin
Boom is not only explosions but the "neck" and "head" of the Klingon starships crankwinged hulls like the D-7 and BoP.  The movie job is holding a boom microphone close enough so that it picks up the actors, yet far enough away that it's out of frame...   Not an easy job since you don't know where the camera's view starts and ends... And judging from the number of times I've seen boom microphones that the directors and editors failed to cut out...
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