Translation of "to type", "password"

[Jon]

Any suggestions for a translation of the verb "to type", as in using a typewriter or entering information into a computer using keyboard.

Candidates so far are:
  'el = enter or go in, though implicitly this is a physical entry of someone into a building. Enter is used in English for type.
  qon = record for every kind of recording or writing
  SIq = use the index finger - this is based on HolQeD 10:2, for example SeHlaw SIq meaning touch the control panel with the index finger, though this verb can also mean point, so perhaps is a bit vague.



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[Qunchuy]

For using a typewriter, try ghItlh write, make marks. For entering information into a computer, either qon record or gher compile, formulate, pull together might be appropriate, depending on whether you're composing or merely copying.

My own preference is to use ghItlh for any process that results in symbols or drawings appearing on paper, and I don't have a problem extending that to having them appear on a computer screen.

[Jon]

Thanks for your considered response. The context is my Klingon wiki - I have a constant challenge finding suitable translations. Users can change their passwords, and I need to translate the message Retype password:.

For password I've elected to use mu' pegh (secret word). I am already using ghItlh for a web page. gher is not quite right, so this gives:
       mu'wIj pegh yIqonqa' - Retype your password (literally Re-record your secret word).

[Qunchuy]

In the context of a password, I'd probably use the verb nob give, or maybe 'ang show, reveal.

[ter'eS]

For password I've elected to use mu' pegh (secret word).

I've used naw'meH mu' "access word" (literally, "word for accessing") for "password", since the important feature of the word was that it gave access to something, and the fact that it was secret was a secondary feature.  Consider an actual key.  If someone asks what a key is, would you say that it's something I keep in my pocket, or it's something that lets me unlock something?  It's true that a key loses its usefullness if it isn't kept in your exclusive possession, but its actual purpose is to control access to a lock.

[Jon]

naw'meH mu' "access word" (literally, "word for accessing") for "password"

I don't think this use of -meH is clear in TKD, but it does follow Okrand, for example:
   pe'meH taj - cutting knife, literally "knife for (the purpose of) cutting" from KGT.
   Soj polmeH pa' - Food Storage, literally "room for storing food" from the BoP poster.

I knew I was missing something. I’ve seen a few sentences with -meH that I struggled to translate using a purpose clause. Now it makes sense, because I think it creates what is called a gerund (accessing).

This use is similar to –bogh, which creates a noun phrase. For example broken knife (a knife which somebody has broken) would be translated as taj ghorlu'pu'bogh.

So now I can translate hunting knife (a knife for hunting) as wammeH taj.

Presumably cutting knife could have gone either way - "a knife which cuts" or "a knife for cutting".

This construction is great because it allows me to generate lots of useful noun phrases that I couldn’t before whilst still remaining true to Okrand.

And finally we have, hopefully by consensus:
    naw’meH mu’wIj yInobqa’
    Literally: “Give again your word for access”

[Qunchuy]

And finally we have, hopefully by consensus:
    naw’meH mu’wIj yInobqa’
    Literally: “Give again your word for access”

mu'wIj my word

mu'lIj your word

[Jon]

doh!

[Jon]

Just as an update, recently I read an extract from HolQeD 5:3. It refers to a game played at a qep'a'. In HolQeD the game is called {pegh mu'} with "Password" alongside in brackets. I guess this is a noun-noun construction. Can I take it as canon?

[Qunchuy]

Can I take it as canon?

In a word, no.

pegh mu' is the name of the game. It translates as the word is secret. It's based closely on (okay, it's a direct copy of) the "Password" game show, but the Klingon name is not a literal translation of the original.