Favorite of the Three Klingon Heroes

[Ambassador Lady K'Zin]

When it comes to the famous "Three Klingon Heroes" many express a liking for a particular one? Who is your favorite and why?

[Ambassador Lady K'Zin]

(Reposted from other thread on behalf of KAllen)

quote: Originally posted by KAllen

    Koloth was my fav. To me he was a subtle warrior. Ya didn't think he'd kick your a*s, but he would. Especially when he came back to DS9. Too bad he died early, however...he died in battle and with Honor!!!


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2nd Lt. K'Allen tai-bortaS
Tactical, IKV Bayou Serpent
House cha'DIch, House of bortaS

[Klythe]

   I thought Koloth was much to whiney and snotty to be a Klingon, he reminded me too much of Trelaine...  Kor was collected and devious.  Kang was perhaps too angry and brutish and did not seems as clever on screen as he should.  But Mara was portrayed admirably.  Both in Day of the Dove and in the book "Dwellers in the Cruicible".  Kang did much better in that book too, than the episode...

    So, I'll vote for Kang because of Mara, and also because Kor's option is missing, and Koloth has three slots on the ballot...

Well, since I get to vote for Kor now, I think I will, since I voted for Mara in the Favourite Females thread.

[Kesvirit]

   I thought Koloth was much to whiney and snotty to be a Klingon, he reminded me too much of Trelaine...  Kor was collected and devious.  Kang was perhaps too angry and brutish and did not seems as clever on screen as he should.  But Mara was portrayed admirably.  Both in Day of the Dove and in the book "Dwellers in the Cruicible".  Kang did much better in that book too, than the episode...

    So, I'll vote for Kang because of Mara, and also because Kor's option is missing, and Koloth has three slots on the ballot...

Well, since I get to vote for Kor now, I think I will, since I voted for Mara in the Favourite Females thread.

Why are we limited to these three? Mara, Martok, and Chang come to mind as possible candidates. Depending on how you want to define "hero"... I really feel that I ought to at least see "Blood Oath" before voting on this one. Are the characterizations consistant between the TOS eps and the later DS9 ones?
(Not much of Klindom is...)

I really liked Mara, too, as the only competent and level-headed character in the entire episode. But it really, really bothered me the way she froze and folded when Chekov tried to rape her in the corridor. She's a Klingon on deep space patrol, for gosh sakes -- she should have been able to force-feed him his huevos with both hands tied behind her back. Do we ever find out what happened to her when Kang comes to DS9?

(P.S. Not to pick nits, but I've got baboons on the brain and that's what they do... Kang, Mara, and Czerny were in "Pawns and Symbols"; T'Shael, Cleante and Kalor were in "Dwellers in the Crucible". But I agree that both Kang and Mara were much more complex and fully developed in the book. I guess there's more room over the space of a novel to do that then there is in an hour-long TV show.)

 - Kesvirit

[Klythe]

  DoH!  I alway get those too books messed up...  As for Mara, it was
network television after all, as well as seen through the eyes of
Federation Propagandha.   She was probably ready to snap his neck when the
rest of the crew saved Chekov from her...

Unfortunately TNG undoes P&S with the return of Kahless, at least
Kang's succession...  What can you do...

      My favourite male Klingons list or no list?

1) Gowron(no one has ever shown more klin than Robert O'Reilly)
2) Krenn   (from The Final Reflection)
3) Maltz     (Larroquette made a really good Klingon)
4) Krudge  (Same with Lloyd)
5) Arenath (from Pawns and Symbols)
6) Kor

Look who isn't there, Worf, Martok, either Kahless...

[Kesvirit]

DoH! I alway get those too books messed up... As for Mara, it was network television after all, as well as seen through the eyes of Federation Propagandha. She was probably ready to snap his neck when the rest of the crew saved Chekov from her...

I would like to think so, as well as that it took all 40-odd avaliable Enterprise crew members to pull her off the little ickmeister. If the whacked-out Finney could so easily alter the ship's allegedly fool-proof visual records in "Court Martial", it should be child's play for the Federation's top spin doctors to "re-write" the incident any way they so chose... though why they chose what they did makes their efforts backfire and look exponentially more nefarious in my eyes.

Unfortunately TNG undoes P&S with the return of Kahless, at least Kang's succession... What can you do...

Do what I do -- ignore them!

BTW, I thought "DoH!" looked familiar and looked it up -- if I understand correctly (and that's a big if; language just ain't my thang) this is Clipped Klingon for something like "Back away!" or "Get back!" Was this your intent?
Reminds me of that bit from "The Princess Bride":
(The Dread Pirate Roberts has just avoided another attempt to kill him)
Vizzini: He didn't fall? INCONCEIVABLE!
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I hope this is the case. The thought of Homer Simpson as a Klingon makes the mind reel and the livers twist.

As for a "favorite male poll", I expect we'll get one eventually. In a way it seems kind of pointless, though -- when you look at the ratio of male to female characters on the screen, the women are exponentially outnumbered in terms of both characters and screen time. When discussed at all it's usually fanboy style ala who's got the best rack. Disgusting. If you were to rephrase the question as an open ended survey, as in "Who is your favorite Klingon and why?", I doubt that any of the women would be mentioned unless it was along the lines of B'Etor and her two enormous talents. >: (   Worf or Gowron would probably get most of the votes.

Still, it's only fair. What's marinating wine for the targhbe' is marinating wine for the targhloD, or some such mangled metaphor

So would you include Arne Darvin on your list of candidates or not? :-P

I'm all for throwing out The Dread Canon altogether and taking Trek as an anthology instead of a continuing saga. (And this comes from someone who spent several afternoons working on a short story while sitting atop Mons Meg. Bad pun, true story.)

For the record, Aernath would top my list for favorite Klingon male, with (TOS) Kang and Krenn tied for second.

 - Kesvirit

[Klythe]

BTW, I thought "DoH!" looked familiar and looked it up -- if I understand correctly (and that's a big if; language just ain't my thang) his is Clipped Klingon for something like "Back away!" or "Get back!" Was his your intent? ...
I hope this is the case. The thought of Homer Simpson as a Klingon makes the mind reel and the livers twist.

      Heh.  Uh, I... no.  I was tranliterating Homer to be cool.    I regret and undue anguish this has caused you, as none was intendend zan Kesvirit.

      As far as canon goes, there are far more fans that came into StarTrek after TNG.  These will never read the old books, (unless they become active klingons and TFR and P&S are recommended to them)  They will never bother.  So I'll use the books for flavour, and where the aren't directly contradicted, what they say goes. I feel an obligation to share a compatible view of canon with the bulk of the unwashed.

Are the characterizations consistant between the TOS eps and the later DS9 ones? (Not much of Klindom is...)

 I wouldn't expect an 120 year old to behave anythink like he did when he was 20.  Too much happens in between.  Kor was hard to recognise in the new makeup, and with all the drinking...  Koloth was much as he was snotty to the end.  Kang was still the strong and brooding quiet type.

[Kesvirit]

BTW, I thought "DoH!" looked familiar and looked it up -- if I understand correctly (and that's a big if; language just ain't my thang) this is Clipped Klingon for something like "Back away!" or "Get back!" Was this your intent? ...
I hope this is the case. The thought of Homer Simpson as a Klingon makes the mind reel and the livers twist.

Heh. Uh, I... no. I was tranliterating Homer to be cool. I regret and undue anguish this has caused you, as none was intendend zan Kesvirit.

'Tis okay. I anguish easily.

Don't know much about the tlhIngan Hol, but I did pretty well in phonetics... I think that "Do' " might be a better transliteration. It also means "to be fortunate", which is ironically appropriate to a clueless screw-up like Homer who always prevails in the end.

Transliteration can be trickier than it looks. When I spent all of half a minute throwing together a handle for this forum it never occurred to me to think about what it might mean in such a user-restricted artificial language. A few weeks into it, it hit me that I could have named myself an invective, or something along the lines of "so's yer old lady..." Fortunately as far as I can tell it doesn?t mean anything.

As far as canon goes, there are far more fans that came into StarTrek after TNG. These will never read the old books, (unless they become active klingons and TFR and P&S are recommended to them) They will never bother.

*shrug* Their loss. There's some great stuff out there that IMO stands on it's own as real literature, not just entries in the Trek franchise.

So I'll use the books for flavour, and where the aren't directly contradicted, what they say goes. I feel an obligation to share a compatible view of canon with the bulk of the unwashed.[

A noble and honorable sentiment. One that I have a hard time sharing unless it flows both ways. Which of course it rarely does, because as you point out they don't bother...

Are the characterizations consistant between the TOS eps and the later DS9 ones? (Not much of Klindom is...) I wouldn't expect an 120 year old to behave anythink like he did when he was 20. Too much happens in between.

 
I wouldn't expect them to act the same; we are, after all, a product of our experiences, and people change over time. But I also believe that basic personalities do not, and was wondering if they were at all like they were in the old days. I'd be quite offended (but not surprised) if Kang showed up as a bliss-ninny, or Koloth as an introspective scholar...

I wish those episodes were avaliable for rent like the TOS ones are. Did they ever say what happened to Mara?

 - Kesvirit

[KAllen]

Koloth was my fav.  To me he was more of a subtle warrior.  Ya don't think he'd kick your butt, but he would.  Especially when he came back on DS9.  Too bad he died early...however, he died in battle, and with honor!!!



2nd Lt. K'Allen tai-bortaS
Tactical, IKV Bayou Serpent
House cha'DIch, House of bortaS

[Kmel K'tarra]

without a doubt it has to be Kommander Kang.  He is a glorious Warrior and he is cute!  How can one not love Kang? Read about him more in a book called Pawns and Symbols. the book is written by Majliss Larson and it is number 26 in the Trek Series.  A really cool read. You will grow to love him more after your read it. I have.



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[El Payaso Malo]

I haven't seen Blood Oath or any of the Deep Space 9 episodes with these guys in it, but I thought Kor was pretty cool. Koloth didn't have much presence for me, his first officer's taunting of the Enterprise and its Captain gave me a chuckle, so Korax for the win from that episode. I wish they would have brought back Korax. That said, Kang would have to be my favorite. The line "Only fools fight in a burning house," really got me in my soul as one of the coolest things that a Klingon has said. I dug his brutish nature and command style. My least favorite Klingon from the original series is Kras. He was a deceptive coward and a detriment to Imperial honor.

[Kragtowl]

I would have to say "Kruge" from the Star Trek movie "The Search for Spock" is my all time favorite.  When I first saw this movie, it inspired me because of Christopher Lloyd's role as Kruge.  He seemed to embody everything that I had read about Klingons from my favorite book "The Final Reflection" by John M. Ford and the FASA roleplaying system. 

His portrayal of this character also is the reason I dressed out as a Klingon.  I said, "If Jim from Taxi could be a Klingon, so could I, LOL!".

Kragtowl

[Klythe]

    For fun I've added a Generic Klingon Hero and a "None of the above" option  to the ballot and allowed vote changes.   Campaigning for your favourite candidate is always encouraged.