Cheese

[Kehlan]

Wasnt sure whether to put this in the food section or the translation section.  I am sorting out the menu for the Banquet and I found a non canon reference to a klingon cheese called Minn'hor:

minn'hor
(n) A Klingon beast used for plowing fields like a Terran ox or bull. The milk from the animal is also used to make a kind of dark cheese while its dung is used as a fertilizer. [KLS p.43]
(Quote from the KLI Extended corpus Project)

My question is whether there is a Klingon word for Cheese and if so, would it go before minn'hor or after?  the same with Terran Stilton.  would it be Stilton teragnan or Teragnan stilton?

and while i am on the subject of food translations, what about fish?  Not looking for recipe ideas, just an idea of what sort of Klingon name a fish dish could be given.  I keep playing around with the concept of swordfish being something to do with batleths but really don't know where to go with this one.

Anyone got any ideas on this?

Thanks

Kehlan

[Qunchuy]

There is no word in the known vocabulary for "cheese". In a pinch, I might call it nIm jeD thick milk, though that could also refer to "cream". Perhaps roghpu'bogh nIm milk which has fermented or nIm ragh decayed milk?

To use one noun as a descriptive term for another, the describing word comes first, e.g. tlhIngan Hol Klingon language. So minn'hor milk would be *mInHor nIm, and Terran Havarti would be something like tera' *'avartIy. If you can leave out all but the last word and still have an understandable phrase, you probably have it right.

There are two general terms for fish: bIQDep (literally waterbeing) and ghotI' (apparently more typical for food). I won't speculate on the names of Klingon fish dishes without knowing either what they consist of or how they came about. (A friend of mine once was ordering in a restaurant through a translator, and used 'etlh bIQ Ha'DIbaH blade water animal for "swordfish".)

[ter'eS]

Actually, cheese isn't fermented milk.  Maybe you're thinking of yogurt or buttermilk.  Cheese is made by separating the solids from the watery part of milk and then pressing them into a block.  So I'd suggest nIm Sub 'solid milk'; thus, mInHor nIm Sub. 

[Kehlan]

so for the fish, could I get away with using bat'eth HaH biQDep on the menu? - the actual dish is grilled swordfish

[SoplaHtaHwI']

Actually, cheese isn't fermented milk.  Maybe you're thinking of yogurt or buttermilk.  Cheese is made by separating the solids from the watery part of milk and then pressing them into a block.  So I'd suggest nIm Sub 'solid milk'; thus, mInHor nIm Sub.

Although, while reading through the "björn" (pocket dictionary made by the proprietor of Klingonska Akademien) I considered it to be slightly wrong, I tend to use nIm let (rockhard milk) for cheese...

Depending on the type of cheese this can of course be very close...
nIm Sub does fit better... ultra-young cheese (referring to non-fungal cheeses here) is far from hard, but it is solid.

so for the fish, could I get away with using bat'eth HaH bIQDep on the menu? - the actual dish is grilled swordfish

'etlh bIQDep HaH would be better... A betleH (batlh 'etlh) is a specific sword, an 'etlh is a sword.
Marinated swordfish could be HaHbogh 'etlh bIQDep, grilled could be meQ[ta']bogh (deliberately burned).

I probably used -bogh wrongly... I prefer 'etlh bIQDep HaH/'etlh bIQDep meQta' (he/she/it marinated/intentionally burned the sword fish), refering to the cook (vutwI').


[Edit -- combined double post]